how long? doses-babesia

I'm not sure if my strategy has been the best. I'm on a lot of Buhner recommended herbs for lyme, bart, babesia & mycoplasma. I have followed the advice of "low & slow." I hate herxes & have sought to avoid them. As a result, I have only increased dosages if a symptom returns or flares up as new. All of my doses are really low, but I read that it is best to start all the herbs & then start increasing them, so that is what i have sought to do, adding one new herb at a time.

Reading Buhner's recommendation in his book, I should only be on the babesia herbs for 60-90 days. But I don't know if I'll have time to actually build up to an adequate dose in each of those herbs before I need to discontinue taking them. Especially as I have symptoms from the lyme or bart & then need to increase other herbs.

How are you all managing this?

Post Edited (HzKabod) : 2/5/2018 8:44:48 PM (GMT-7)

I would be very very surprised if you could get rid of babesia in 60-90 days.

Most LLMD's will tell you that babesia needs to be treated for a MINIMUM of 4 months which is the life of the red blood cell where they live.

I wonder why Buhner says 60-90 days.. I wonder if he just means you should take a week or two off then do another "round".

I know his bart protocol says 30 days which is also confusing to me..

Loutucky said...
I don't know the answer to this. I have been on malarone for 13 months and still have very bad babesia. I have been slowly building up Buhner herbals for lyme, bart and babesia for 4 months. I am only on 33 drops of cryptolepis and 12 drops of bidens pilosa a day for babs.

I have no intention of stopping at this point.

Are you JUST on malarone? I have never heard of any one getting rid of babesia without another antibiotic added like Zithromax. I could be wrong though. Babesia is a tough one to clear. I have a long way to go..

Buhner almost always states that the Babesia protocol can be repeated as many times as needed. I'm not sure why he believes that most will be able to get rid of Babesia in only 60 - 90 days, as I've certainly not seen that in my 10 years on this forum. Most need several months at minimum to clear this infection.

But, I'm also going low and slow. Not everyone needs full doses of every herb - although our goal is to get to the highest doses we need/can get to. I've been in some very serious, and very long herxes before, so I am doing all I can to stay out of them, as they are not a healthy state for the body to be in, and I believe that being in one for a full 12 months is part of why my adrenals crashed and I ended up with Addison's. So, I agree to be very cautious of herxing. It's simply hard on the body that is already compromised.

buhner will repeatedly state that the amount of an herb is just a general guideline and not to be used as a dosage everyone should get to. its completely unique to the individual so you must experiment efficacy for yourself.

there are also studies that show a lower dosage is equal if not more effective than higher doses. more isn't always better.

regarding babesia its VERY difficult to completely eradicate i treated it on and off for 2 years and couldn't shake it. i spent the last year doing the same anti-malarial protocol from Dr. J in DC and i think i've finally shaken it or just about.

for babesia its about consistency and persistence and we're talking months and months at least.

HzKabod said...
I'm not sure if my strategy has been the best. I'm on a lot of Buhner recommended herbs for lyme, bart, babesia & mycoplasma. I have followed the advice of "low & slow." I hate herxes & have sought to avoid them. As a result, I have only increased dosages if a symptom returns or flares up as new. All of my doses are really low, but I read that it is best to start all the herbs & then start increasing them, so that is what i have sought to do, adding one new herb at a time.

Reading Buhner's recommendation in his book, I should only be on the babesia herbs for 60-90 days. But I don't know if I'll have time to actually build up to an adequate dose in each of those herbs before I need to discontinue taking them. Especially as I have symptoms from the lyme or bart & then need to increase other herbs.

How are you all managing this?

I'm in the same boat - going low and slow with Buhner's protocols trying to treat multiple infections simultaneously. I had been ramping up on the tinctures a drop at a time and had possibly the worst bartonella flare ever a couple of weeks ago. I dropped the doses on the killer herbs by 1-2 drops each and added marshmallow root and slippery elm to help with horrible intestinal inflammation. That got me out of the herd but still feeling very poorly. Had a lot of sickness the past 2 months that probably is killing my immune system. Started herbs in June and have only had very brief periods of improvement and many long relapses. I'm going to concentrate more on increasing bidens. I have the feeling that may be a key herb for me.