Minocycline agains borrelia strains.

Girlie said...
mpost - I get what you're saying - but not a good example: Tinidazole does come with a Black Box Warning.

see ? two years ago there was no black box warning for tinidazole. You actually told me this in a thread long ago

/www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=3864297

anyway, glad to see they tested tinidazole too :D it made no sense to have flagly black box and not this one ....

in europe we do not have a black box warning for any of them. hurray! it means u can buy them from europe and you will not have any health problems (im joking, of course )) )

mpost said...


anyway, glad to see they tested tinidazole too :D it made no sense to have flagly black box and not this one ....

in europe we do not have a black box warning for any of them. hurray! it means u can buy them from europe and you will not have any health problems (im joking, of course )) )

It isn't because they tested - it's still the same: Because it's similar to the Flagyl they put the warning on it:

Carcinogenicity has been seen in mice and rats treated chronically with metronidazole, another nitroimidazole agent ( 13.1). Although such data have not been reported for tinidazole, the two drugs are structurally related and have similar biologic effects. Its use should be reserved for the conditions described in INDICATIONS AND USAGE (1).

WalkingbyFaith said...
There are people who were otherwise healthy and contracted bartonella infections from cats or other transmitters who get quite ill from bartonella and do not have borrelia or any of the other things you mentioned.

i never said bartonella does not get people ill. but it does not become chronic in otherwise healthy people. the body develops hi fever and eliminates it in matter of weeks without antibiotics.

bartonella quintana is also called trench fever because it produced a huge outbreak in ww1.
www.kumc.edu/wwi/index-of-essays/trench-fever.html

almost all these people completely recovered. but we are talking healthy people here , the type that develops hi fever when bart is met and bacteria is removed. when is the last time u remember to have developed hi fever? you r immune system is messed up by borrelia and cannot put up a good fight.
journals.plos.org/plospathogens/article?id=10.1371/journal.ppat.1004976

so i disagree about bart creating chronic infection on its own and on healthy ppl. sure, if u live on streets and eat potatoes bread and bars every day u have severe vitamin / mineral deficiency and are sleep deprived and bitten by lice every day, so then your immune system does not work well...

go into an ER room tell them u have chronic bart, see how they will roll their eyes in disbelief. u seem well dressed and fed and do not have AIDS, so in their mind probably u are making it up...

Post Edited (mpost) : 3/31/2018 10:57:01 PM (GMT-6)

Rifampin/Rifabutin is good for bart. It does penetrate blood/brain barrier - just not as good as other abx.

But, during an interview Dr. J. talks about penetration of blood/brain barrier...and plays it down some.
I can't remember his exact words.

Yeah, it seems like a great combo (mino/rifabutin) for both lyme persisters and bartonella. I am only into my second week with this, real curious how the month is going to unfold.

Unfortunately not a lot of documented studies on this. I have only seen one or two.

Also, from reading, rifampin and rifabutin both have seem to have solid BBB penetration.