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Posted 7/4/2018 5:59 PM (GMT 0)
What was your dose/ how what it determined?

I see LDI is somehow different than Low Done Naltrexone, it can balance the Th1/Th2 immune response in Hashimoto vs aggravate it like LDN can.

/www.holtorfmed.com/low-dose-immunotherapy-ldi/

I am thinking of trying this and tracking my lymphocyte levels (T, NK, NKT cells).
Posted 7/4/2018 9:07 PM (GMT 0)

astroman said...
What was your dose/ how what it determined?

I see LDI is somehow different than Low Done Naltrexone, it can balance the Th1/Th2 immune response in Hashimoto vs aggravate it like LDN can.

/www.holtorfmed.com/low-dose-immunotherapy-ldi/

I am thinking of trying this and tracking my lymphocyte levels (T, NK, NKT cells).

It’s not anything like LDN

LDI is similar to homeopathy but way more diluted.
The LLMD gives you the dose - generally starting with a higher number (which is a weaker dose)

Some llmd’s have the knowledge to prescribe it but I’d consider going through the LDI Dr TV (in Hawaii)

I had the syringes in my fridge but decided not to do it. (Under the tongue)

Probably better to have the shots.
Posted 7/4/2018 9:26 PM (GMT 0)
I have researched quite a bit about it. It can really work well for people. I was considering scheduling an appointment with Ty V the creator of LDI, but he is expensive. $600 for a phone consult or skype. Doctors recommend you don't take abx with it, but I probably would to be safe. It is basically a homeopathy combined with a specific chemical betaglucoronodase or something like that. I think that helps your immune system recognize the dead bacteria mixture and build tolerance to the bugs and also find and kill them.

I am currently doing LDA low dose allergens to de-sensitize my food and environmental allergies. It works on the same principal.
Posted 7/4/2018 9:38 PM (GMT 0)
I though the sublingual was Rx........?

I've been off ABX for a long time.
Posted 7/4/2018 9:42 PM (GMT 0)
I think the reason they don’t want you on abx is because they need to track your response to each dose and adjust accordingly


Yes it’s homeopathy but way more diluted - I think thousandths instead of hundredths


LDN - Naltrexone is a drug used for opiate addiction by shutting off opiate receptors - but when used in tiny doses it was found to temporarily block the opiate receptors and endorphins between 2 and 4 am which results in the body producing endorphins in response . The endorphins make play a role in immune system regulation.
Posted 7/4/2018 9:42 PM (GMT 0)
I don't think either are necessarily a prescription. I've heard sublingual works as well as the shots.
Posted 7/4/2018 9:43 PM (GMT 0)

astroman said...
I though the sublingual was Rx........?

I've been off ABX for a long time.

Ldi?

A ND had it in her office - I think she got it from Dr TV

He is the one who formulated it.

I talked to someone who tried it and at first it seemed to help but after she ended up reacting adversely to it and stopped taking it.
Posted 7/4/2018 9:47 PM (GMT 0)

Sheeks175 said...
I don't think either are necessarily a prescription. I've heard sublingual works as well as the shots.

LDN is prescription - it’s a pharma drug

Usually have to go to a compounding pharmacy to get it - that’s what I had to do- as regular Naltrexone comes in too high of a dosage
Posted 7/4/2018 9:52 PM (GMT 0)
So LDI is not Rx?

Post Edited (astroman) : 7/4/2018 4:01:19 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 7/4/2018 10:17 PM (GMT 0)
Yes LDN is prescription. I am taking that too. By either I meant sublingual vs injection. Uhh. Well LDI is not a drug, but similar to a prescription you need to get it through a doctor and they have to determine what dose to give you.

Girlie were you going to do LDI while on abx?
Posted 7/4/2018 11:02 PM (GMT 0)

astroman said...
So LDI is not Rx?

You just need to go to a Dr. who has it. I didn't have a prescription. The LLND that I saw a few times had the syringes in her office - she got them from Dr. TV.
He apparently 'makes' it and sells it to other Dr.'s.

It's like homeopathy - no prescription is needed for that either.
Posted 7/4/2018 11:05 PM (GMT 0)

Sheeks175 said...
Yes LDN is prescription. I am taking that too. By either I meant sublingual vs injection. Uhh. Well LDI is not a drug, but similar to a prescription you need to get it through a doctor and they have to determine what dose to give you.

Girlie were you going to do LDI while on abx?

No, it was in 2016 and i was taking an abx break...kind of floundering at that time. I had done a year of Rifampin plus minocycline...and was kinda distraught that I still had symptoms (had treated lyme prior to the bart)

So, I knew this LLND that wasn't too far away offered the LDI. She was ready to give me the injection that day...but I needed to think about it.
So, she gave it to me to take home.

She had me go on a couple weeks of abx and Diflucan. Then after finishing them, I was to do the LDI - no abx.
Posted 7/5/2018 11:26 PM (GMT 0)
I’m doing LDI. Had a somewhat good response back in 2015 with 16c dose. Now down to 10c with no response. I’m doing borrelia only right now. Adding in bartonella and chemicals/allergens (LDA) in next shipment. I work with dr. Vincent in Hawaii.
Posted 7/5/2018 11:52 PM (GMT 0)

k07 said...
I’m doing LDI. Had a somewhat good response back in 2015 with 16c dose. Now down to 10c with no response. I’m doing borrelia only right now. Adding in bartonella and chemicals/allergens (LDA) in next shipment. I work with dr. Vincent in Hawaii.

How do you find him? Is it worth “seeing” him? Did you start the ldi with your LLMD or have you always gone thru TV
Posted 7/6/2018 4:31 PM (GMT 0)
I started with a different doc then switched over bc I wanted to split out antigens. I first did a skype call with him, now just email. If you watch his youtube videos you can get all the info on LDI. I am not sure if it’s worth it to go through him. I guess it’s easier and cheaper in long run. I think I paid $500 for initial call back in 2015 and have only paid for shipments of antigens since then. He gives me about 4 or 5 doses of each LDI or LDA and it’s around $100.
Posted 7/6/2018 5:28 PM (GMT 0)

k07 said...
I started with a different doc then switched over bc I wanted to split out antigens. I first did a skype call with him, now just email. If you watch his youtube videos you can get all the info on LDI. I am not sure if it’s worth it to go through him. I guess it’s easier and cheaper in long run. I think I paid $500 for initial call back in 2015 and have only paid for shipments of antigens since then. He gives me about 4 or 5 doses of each LDI or LDA and it’s around $100.

I watched his videos awhile back - 2016 I think it was - just prior to seeing the LLND and getting the syringes - that sat in my fridge...lol.


So, you don't see him for monitoring...you decide yourself if you need to go up or down in the dosing?
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