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Posted 8/8/2018 1:35 AM (GMT 0)
Hey all, I've been off my antibiotics for almost 2 months now since they really started giving me severe stomach issues. My doctor and I decided I should start up the Buhner protocol since I made good progress already on antibiotics, so I ordered the herbs and just started on Thursday. Unfortunately between my doctor's appointments, shipping times, and travelling time slipped by and it's already been almost 2 months since I stopped my ABX.

The past week or so I've noticed my remaining symptoms starting to grow worse. They had been fairly mild for a while, but after so long without treatment it seems like they're coming back. I suppose it's a good thing that it didn't happen right away, but I'm still not happy, it feels like I've undone some of the progress I've made. But I also know that I can't just start taking the full doses of everything on the Buhner protocol right off the bat. I'm almost to the full dose of Andrographis and am halfway with Cats Claw, but aren't on anything else yet (following the Lyme and Bart protocols). Anyone have any advice on what the fastest way to get up to full dose is? I don't want to let up the treatment any longer than I have to, since it seems like the longer I wait the further back I'm sliding.

It stinks that after making so much progress things can go backwards, but I wasn't all the way better yet so I suppose I should have expected it. My doctor told me it was a good sign that it didn't start sliding backwards right away, at least. Anyway, it's been a depressing day. Any suggestions would be welcome.

Thanks!
Posted 8/8/2018 8:53 AM (GMT 0)
Hi Noah,

While I understand its tough facing when we back slide and changing treatments to herbals(building up takes time), just be cautious ramping up to fast.

You could herx to intensely and the that sets you back by having to back off treatment again.

I will say everyone is different, some members can tolerate higher doses and others cannot at first,

So you have to judge it by you experience with each herbal.

You may want to discuss adding in the Japanese knotweed with your llmd.

what are your worse symptoms, as you should consider targeting them with specific herbals.

Make sure to detox and consider using binders to help with any herxing or just in general to help move the toxins out.

hang in there you will get there it is just a lot of ups and downs and adjustments along the way.


Take care.
Posted 8/8/2018 3:02 PM (GMT 0)
Part of it may have been a herx, I ramped up on the Andrographis to the full dose in less than a week. I think I'll back off a bit on that. Yeah, I have the books, reading through them right now.

Follow up question: Are there places where I can buy the Buhner core protocol combined into 1 capsule? I travel every week for work, and so I need to minimize the number of things I'm dragging around with me everywhere just due to the inconvenience of it. Can anyone help me get the number of bottles I'm lugging around with me down to a manageable level?
Posted 8/8/2018 3:11 PM (GMT 0)
You may want to read up on Andrographis and chronic Lyme to see if this is something that you should be taking. Seems that Andrographis can over stimulate your immune system making you feel worse by causing unneeded inflammation.

I have chronic Lyme and was taking Andrographis for over a year, although not at full dose. When I stopped it my inflammation diminished substantially. Before then I had so much inflammation and wondered why none of the herbs that I was taking were helping. Now I know that at least one was helping make it worse, not better.
Posted 8/8/2018 4:05 PM (GMT 0)
Buhner still recommends andropgraphis, although he says it doesn't work for everyone. I'll keep on it (though lower the dose) for a little while and see how it goes. I may have just gone with too much too fast, which could have been why I wasn't feeling well.
Posted 8/8/2018 4:57 PM (GMT 0)
Noah,
check out Green Dragon Botanical in Vermont for capsules formula. Buhler had worked with them to develop the product I believe.

We did have members on here in the past using their products.
take care
Posted 8/8/2018 9:59 PM (GMT 0)
Goshawk, is this combination form an acceptable replacement to taking them all individually? If I take them individually right now, and then switch over to that combined form, will there be any problems? It'd be nice to have something smaller to take with me when travelling.
Posted 8/9/2018 12:03 AM (GMT 0)
I've taken the green dragon botanicals capsules. Bit more expensive than buying bulk powders but it was more convenient. The one herb it doesn't include from the core lyme protocol is gou teng. I really like that one, I've found it to be quite effective.
Posted 8/9/2018 3:31 AM (GMT 0)
If I add the gou teng, and take the combination capsules, will I get the same effect as if I had taken them all individually? I just want to make sure I'm not gimping myself somehow in this. The marginal difference in price isn't a huge factor for me, fortunately they're in my range. Is doing that feasible? Or is it somehow better to take them individually?
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