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Posted 8/28/2018 4:46 PM (GMT 0)
**Any personal stories with this vax shot? Educated opinions, not instant "anti-vax" response please.**

Apparently my antibodies (titter?) are a little low for Pneumonia, thus a Dr suggested I get the PPSV23 which is supposed to build immunity to 23 varieties.

My lymphocytes are on the low side, but same Dr tested these and thinks a PSV23 booster (edit- vaccine not booster) is actually a good idea and want to measure my Pneumonia antibodies 4 weeks after the shot.

Ive read this has cause tendon issues in peoples upper arm. Dont know how common this is I am highly susceptible to shoulder issues, cant have pain there- it will affect my income.

As stated, I'm not an "anti-vaxer" but would like to know more about this one in particular - as if did this cause shoulder issues/pain frozen shoulder for a long time?

thanks

Post Edited (astroman) : 8/28/2018 11:55:29 AM (GMT-6)

Posted 8/28/2018 4:52 PM (GMT 0)
So it's a booster shot? Did you have a Pneumoniae shot at one point?


I wouldn't have one
Posted 8/28/2018 5:49 PM (GMT 0)
I'm not sure what that shot is. I did have PneumoVax vaccine in 2015 for the same reason you mentioned.

In April 2015, my chronic Lyme (unknown at the time) went full blown after getting bronchitis. In October 2015, I went to see the allergist because I knew that something was very wrong with my immune system and I wanted to know why. I learned very quickly that allergists are NOT immunologists despite what their titles and organizational affiliations may imply. The allergist re-tested me for allergies via skin prick and blood tests. Skin prick - I reacted to eveything, including the saline control and was told it was invalid due to dermatographia. Blood tests were negative. I pushed, so he checked my pneumonia titers and said they were low and suggested the PneumoVax followed by a retest 4 weeks later. I agreed even though I had reservations about all vaccines (based on intuition at the time, as I was not yet educated on vaccine issues). When I retested, I was told my pneumonia titers had increased, indicating that my immune system responded to the vaccine.

In August 2016, I saw a Functional MD who did many tests, and I had unusually high IGG titers for mycoplasma pneumonia and chlamydia pneumonia and positive IGM titers for chlamydia p. In April 2018, I was retested. Myco came down some but still too high. Chlamydia IGG and IGM came down but still positive.

I do not have sufficient knowledge of vaccines nor immunity to advise on whether it is a good idea or not. However, if I were in the same boat right now, I would not do it.

This is a good question for Georgia Hunter. He has done research on vaccines.

Post Edited (WalkingbyFaith) : 8/28/2018 11:55:34 AM (GMT-6)

Posted 8/28/2018 5:54 PM (GMT 0)
Girlie- I edited "booster" as this is the actual vax, just repeated well into adulthood.

A booster is just a weaker vaccine.

I and most of us westerners (before the ant-vax campaign) received a full dose of Pneumonia vaccine as children - the same or older versions stated in this post title.

Its recommended (CDC) that all kids have this done and also senior adults (not there yet), plus those with lower immunity.

Just wondering if there are any people here who got this vax in adulthood.

Might no be the place to ask this.

Post Edited (astroman) : 8/28/2018 11:58:01 AM (GMT-6)

Posted 8/28/2018 5:57 PM (GMT 0)
I just edited my response above.
Posted 8/28/2018 6:06 PM (GMT 0)
WalkingbyFaith "allergists are NOT immunologists"

Yes only very few are immunologists, I went to one, but has the same response your Dr did..

"he checked my pneumonia titers and said they were low and suggested the PneumoVax followed by a retest 4 weeks later. " - yes , same here.

Pneumonia titters are confusing. If you were low (like I am) but then too high after your P-vax suggests like many tests, there is a range (?), not just high or low?

I have not read the actual results yet- it was phone verbal.

I read some do get lower form of Pneumonia after the vax for a shot time, thats what happened to you then.
Posted 8/28/2018 8:20 PM (GMT 0)
WalkingbyFaith- body pain or tendonitis after this vaccine?
Posted 8/28/2018 8:30 PM (GMT 0)
I don't think I got the pneumonia vaccine in childhood.

I checked my son's "health passport" and he didn't have that vaccine.

He had DPT, M/M/Rubella, Polio, Hib, and Men C
Posted 8/29/2018 1:07 AM (GMT 0)

astroman said...
WalkingbyFaith- body pain or tendonitis after this vaccine?

You mean like in the arm where you get the shot? I honestly don't remember. I have had shots before where I could barely raise my arm up for days afterwards, but I don't remember if this was one of those shots.
Posted 8/29/2018 1:17 AM (GMT 0)
Oh, I just remembered. When my dad went in the hospital some years back, somebody came in the room and gave him a pneumonia vaccine while my mom and I had left to get something to eat. When I found about, I was furious. That was my first knowledge of hospitals' clandestine campaign to vaccinate every patient. It made absolutely no sense to me to vaccinate someone before surgery, as it affects your immune system and can make you feel weak or feverish. They're really doing it to protect themselves from being accused of giving patients hospital acquired infections, IMO.

Anyway, my dad's whole arm and up into his shoulder and back were hot, swollen and sore for a week after that. Instead of going home the next day, he was too weak and in pain and had to stay 4 nights instead of 1. We never knew for sure if it was from the shot or from the position they had him in during surgery.

I do not approve of most medical practices today. I hope I can stay away from hospitals and doctors permanently. The mental and emotional stress I feel when dealing with medical personnel makes me want to go crazy. I can't even communicate with them without sounding crazy anymore. Sorry for the rant.
Posted 8/29/2018 1:21 AM (GMT 0)

Girlie said...
I don't think I got the pneumonia vaccine in childhood.

I checked my son's "health passport" and he didn't have that vaccine.

He had DPT, M/M/Rubella, Polio, Hib, and Men C

I didn't get a pneumo vaccine as a child either.
Posted 8/29/2018 7:25 AM (GMT 0)
Me personally, I wouldn't get it. I've seen first hand the problems it can cause. There are 80 known strains and making antibodies against 23 strains and preventing disease from these and the others are two different things. Vaccine manufacturers skew their data by using relative risk instead of absolute risk. When they say something is 65% effective in producing antibodies, that's actually about a 2% reduction of incidence.

Find a study that shows the long term adverse effects of injecting phenol into your body. I'll save you some time, you won't find them. You will see some nerve block studies and they show: " (1) Phenol in iophendylate or glycerol causes degeneration of both large and small nerve fibres. (2) The phenol acts on the fibres in the nerve roots and not on the ganglia or the spinal cord. (3) Posterior root degeneration was found in all the injected cases. It is concluded that at least some of this degeneration in each of the injected cases is due to the injection. (4) No evidence of excessive pathological reactions due to the injected solutions was found, with one exception. In this patient, who received a single injection of silver nitrate in phenol in glycerol, meningitis developed and led to death forty hours later."

And this "Histologic studies showed a transient inflammatory infiltrate and myolysis, while the vocal fold mucosa and the cricoarytenoid joints remained undamaged."

/onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/1556-4029.13106

/thevaccinereaction.org/2016/04/toxic-phenol-ingredient-in-vaccines/
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