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Posted 10/27/2018 11:03 AM (GMT 0)
My adrenal fatigue has always been a prominant symptom, in fact in the beginning it's all i had until this hit my brain. I can manage it if im perfect with my circadian rhythms and eating schedule but it never healed. As soon as i falter at all it comes right back to prominence. Herbs never helped anything.

I have to assume at this point that it's caused by lyme/neurotoxins since bartonella treatment didn't help it.

Has anyone had adrenal issues resolve with treatment?
Posted 10/27/2018 1:39 PM (GMT 0)
Adrenals produce many different hormones and thrive off vitamin c.
Posted 10/27/2018 2:11 PM (GMT 0)
I actually do poorly with vitamin c. Always makes me feel jittery, heavy and lethargic
Posted 10/27/2018 2:33 PM (GMT 0)
Yes, huge issue in the past every morning, I wrote quite a few posts on dealing/ addressing it if you feel up to searching "adrenals astroman". Early wakening half way thru the night too. Can take a long time to improve on its own.

The feeling of wired being triggered off by the smallest of stresses, followed tired and wired.

Holy basil was very notable taken night and AM was the best for me out of many herbals I took for it. Vit C did absolutely nothing notable. Mag glycinate before bed. D-limonene even calms a little. L-theanine had mixed reactions.

There still can be reminents of it during stressful days , but nothing like before. Its not uncommon with hashimoto thyroid.
Posted 10/27/2018 11:02 PM (GMT 0)

astroman said...
Yes, huge issue in the past every morning, I wrote quite a few posts on dealing/ addressing it if you feel up to searching "adrenals astroman". Early wakening half way thru the night too. Can take a long time to improve on its own.

The feeling of wired being triggered off by the smallest of stresses, followed tired and wired.

Holy basil was very notable taken night and AM was the best for me out of many herbals I took for it. Vit C did absolutely nothing notable. Mag glycinate before bed. D-limonene even calms a little. L-theanine had mixed reactions.

There still can be reminents of it during stressful days , but nothing like before. Its not uncommon with hashimoto thyroid.

Huh, ill have to try holy basil. Theanine is usually my go-to for anxiety but it doesn't touch this. I was actually considering taking a little DHEA before bed as that sometimes helps energy a bit and maybe it can prop up my adrenal function enough to let me sleep
Did lyme treatment show improvement for you in that area?
Posted 10/27/2018 11:59 PM (GMT 0)
"Did lyme treatment show improvement for you in that area? "

Only once lyme treatment was done. Treatment itself was not kind to adrenals - so I ended up useing holy basil + some other stuff but HB was the bigest help then.

Im now a firm believer in supporting affected body systems in conjunction with eradicating the critter load. Just killing the stuff is too hard on the rest of the body, besides d-limonene for liver detox and gut ,detox itself did minimal for me.
Posted 10/28/2018 1:53 AM (GMT 0)
Does Holy Basil calm the adrenals or prop them up?
Posted 10/30/2018 12:07 AM (GMT 0)
I had adrenal issues and did the cortisol spit test. They found my cortisol levels in the morning were the same as a healthy person around 8pm. It caused me to have no energy and I think made me feel more stressed and anxious. My LLMD had me take hydrocortisone which gave me a big immediate help. I had energy out of nowhere. Then that helped me start regularly exercising which helped. Before I couldn't do anything. He also had me take Drenathropin which I believes helps with long term adrenal support. I've weened off hydrocortisone and still have all the positive effects.
Posted 10/30/2018 3:00 AM (GMT 0)

Aerose91 said...

astroman said...
Yes, huge issue in the past every morning, I wrote quite a few posts on dealing/ addressing it if you feel up to searching "adrenals astroman". Early wakening half way thru the night too. Can take a long time to improve on its own.

The feeling of wired being triggered off by the smallest of stresses, followed tired and wired.

Holy basil was very notable taken night and AM was the best for me out of many herbals I took for it. Vit C did absolutely nothing notable. Mag glycinate before bed. D-limonene even calms a little. L-theanine had mixed reactions.

There still can be reminents of it during stressful days , but nothing like before. Its not uncommon with hashimoto thyroid.

Huh, ill have to try holy basil. Theanine is usually my go-to for anxiety but it doesn't touch this. I was actually considering taking a little DHEA before bed as that sometimes helps energy a bit and maybe it can prop up my adrenal function enough to let me sleep
Did lyme treatment show improvement for you in that area?

Did you have blood work showing adrenals are suffering? ie low dhea or cortisol... or?
Posted 10/30/2018 3:45 AM (GMT 0)

Aerose91 said...
Does Holy Basil calm the adrenals or prop them up?

Its an adaptogen- meaning it normalizes from both ways. But its more widely known from users as a calmer- without making you tired.

Holy Basil calmed my adrenal peaks, thus gave me more normalized energy because elevated adrenal output can make you wired AND tired at the same time.

Per 24 hr saliva test, my adrenal function was high late night and in the morning- this is why I could hardly sleep at all.

Post Edited (astroman) : 10/29/2018 9:48:50 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 10/30/2018 6:04 AM (GMT 0)
Recently, I bookmarked a few articles from SelfHacked.com that I'll eventually read. One of them is about adrenal fatigue. Though I've not yet read the article, the title of your post made me think about it.

Debunking the Myth of Adrenal Fatigue
https://www.selfhacked.com/blog/adrenal-fatigue

Fatigue has been a daily issue for me, for the past five years. Prior to that, it was on-and-off, for 10 years.

I hope the article either helps or leads you to something that does. Best of luck.
Posted 10/30/2018 12:35 PM (GMT 0)

Girlie said...

Aerose91 said...

astroman said...
Yes, huge issue in the past every morning, I wrote quite a few posts on dealing/ addressing it if you feel up to searching "adrenals astroman". Early wakening half way thru the night too. Can take a long time to improve on its own.

The feeling of wired being triggered off by the smallest of stresses, followed tired and wired.

Holy basil was very notable taken night and AM was the best for me out of many herbals I took for it. Vit C did absolutely nothing notable. Mag glycinate before bed. D-limonene even calms a little. L-theanine had mixed reactions.

There still can be reminents of it during stressful days , but nothing like before. Its not uncommon with hashimoto thyroid.

Huh, ill have to try holy basil. Theanine is usually my go-to for anxiety but it doesn't touch this. I was actually considering taking a little DHEA before bed as that sometimes helps energy a bit and maybe it can prop up my adrenal function enough to let me sleep
Did lyme treatment show improvement for you in that area?

Did you have blood work showing adrenals are suffering? ie low dhea or cortisol... or?

Oh yes, all 3 low. I was so bad at one point i was given high doses of hydrocortisone, dhea & pregnenolone and they did nothing. My friends still had to grab my jaw to help me chew food because i didn't have the energy. Crazy
Posted 10/30/2018 1:53 PM (GMT 0)
Aerose91 - before going down any adrenal road- check thyroid tsh, ft3, ft4 first, all three !


"adrenal fatigue" can bean high and low, its a very confusing term, as high adrenals without an adrenal tumor is also called "adrenal fatigue".

I treated my adrenals per time of day. When high, I lowered, when low I treated to raise - these herbs don't stay too long in you. I forgot what I took in the afternoon when I was low.

Since your all low, ginseng's might work for you. if your really low, then rx's your mentioned might be needed, but you say they did nothing...hmm........they are stronger than herbs obviously.
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