Bee Venom Therapy (bvt) - Part 3

Going through a rough time atm. Not in a good place financially which is causing a lot of stress which is counterproductive to my treatment.

How are you doing?

I thought it was just me being sensitive to the stings. They have been pretty hefty the last month or so.

i did a 3 month course of Jernigan's Lymogen and Borrelojen and I felt better but the day I stopped it's like it never happened and the symptoms went back to 'normal'. That's the thing with these things you don't know if you're just holding the symptoms back or making progress on them in a permanent way.

hi rikky ;
well i am not a huge fan of buhner for those reasons rikky .why my rso oil experiment was too hard to tell.. if symptom masking and managment is just hiding the same ol damage being done then its not effective treatment imho. lets say its immune regulating or simply the blood thinning hypercoagulated blood or the pain relief from its signal blocking or the inflammation reduction 4x better that glucosteriods just giving symptom relief ...but i know as well as eva sapi and tnt from our microscope work that it eats borrelia lps and biofim better than 3x abx...and yes: time will tell i bee at maintenance dose with no relapses for almost a year but better that that neuro who said id be in a chair on cpap by now ...

wvmike - so venom does tax the liver and kidneys as its excreted like any other toxin but the reason i think the aas cautions against it is because the blood lysing components to the venom. my funct doc said i couldn't drip iv silver too fast for the same reason and doing so actually kinda hurt my spleen. the lobelites will say its because adrenals are already taxed and flight or flight from pain syndrome may deplete normal like peeps but you're a a seasoned bee keep..that said anecdotally i heard the maker of venex cant really tolerate any more stings just after 50 years he just shuts down , not anaphylaxis but just passes out fishes it tv off kinda sitch ...same with a board member just had 1 too many for viral stuff lomatium and a few stings usually does it ...

RainyCloud said...
Girlie; Buhner said that it's not about getting rid of the spirochetes but to "limit their behavior".

I personally have to disagree with that, I'm trying to get rid of these evil things. I don't want to them to "activate" again in a few years from now.

That's just my opinion though.

Buhner’s protocols are aimed at strengthening the immune system, reducing inflammation, modulating cytokine cascade, strengthening collagen structures, killing the bacteria, and treating symptoms.

Many of the herbs are antibacterial.


But hey - I tried them for a few months prior to going the abx route and I had no improvement, no reaction whatsoever -

Does everyone here practicing BVT follow Ellie Lobel's protocol?

RainyCloud said...
Lymie24 I used it as a guideline in the beginning (10 stings every other day) but now I'm just going my own way. I'm at 15 stings right now. I believe we all need to find our own perfect amount of stings. I don't think it's the same for everyone. Im still pretty new to all of this though. I'm learning a lot from everyone here.

Thanks RainyCloud.

Can you descibe how BVT has helped you? What your symptoms were prior to starting BVT? What your health "level" was prior. I have a friend that had great success with BVT. I'm really struggling right now. I want to try BVT but I'm having a hard time convincing myself to start.

great to hear hoagie . ya most viral stuff can't hang in face of bvt havent had a herpes outbreak since idk. cold dont stand a chance flu was lil ruff but still give thanks.

rainy so have u tested thyroid ? are u on a iodine supp? the bees are a hot medicine according to chinese medicine. the blood flowing from being thinner stuf working as it ts beng cleared and deregulation all play a part. i remember herxy sweats an hr after stinging then we d pass out for a hr. pretty normal.

ya at 1 time a certain type of gse was thought to be effective against cystic borrelia, however eva sapi proved venom works. should be fine but i think gse does block cp450 so may put some strain on liver ... i borrowed some calcification theory from the unmentionable site on bart and found that i didnt do well with msm part but the chanca piedra did wonders for my circulation and kidneys .

The first couple of BVT sessions really helped with my sleep issues as they made me really really tired. Which is a great for someone whose immune system is always on fire and who never really gets tired even after days without sleep.
But ever since I started stinging on my back I can't really sleep anymore.
I'm still at 3 stings.
Tomorrow I'll go back to stinging my shoulders/forearm again regardless of the protocol. Could a lack of vitamin C supplementation be the cause of my recent sleep issues or is this rather a neurological herx induced by the bee venom?

Post Edited (insomniaaa) : 4/11/2019 4:23:18 PM (GMT-6)

What about making your own liposomal vitamin c? I haven't done it myself but I know there are a bunch of youtube videos on how to do it. I know you need a blender plus an ultrasonic machine plus the ingredients, but it looks pretty easy to do.

Hello all.
I started bvt monday the 1st april.
I am at 4 stings and will do 6 next monday.

I am in bad shape as I explained before. My doc took me off atb for 10 days and I just have his new script : zithromax, bactrim and rifampin.
I have Lyme, bart and a lot of other bugs. I dont know at all if I must take these atb with the bvt or just stick with the bvt alone.
The rif makes me totaly crazy, I hate it.
I know you are not medical doctors but I am lost and all advices or opinions are very welcome.
I really want to trust the bees, but I am afraid that it fails like all the other treatments.