Babesia and hyperthermia, IVs

Since Babesia replicates intracellularly, I would not think hyperthermia would have an effect on its replication process. Perhaps it effects one of the stages, but they don't stay outside the cell very long.

Babesia causes an increase in nitrogen turnover, which in itself is a hyperthermic reaction. The night sweats often come from this.

Yeah, doc said its not directly effective against babesia but increases intracellular antibiotic concentrations by 8-16 fold so its utility would come from that I suppose.

I am actually quite sceptical about it curing my babesia. It honestly feels unstoppable.

I am getting this treatment in Australia for roughly $7000 AUD.

Girlie said...

benfast said...
Hey guys.

In 6 days I'm starting 4 weeks of hyperthermia and IV flagyl and clindamycin with an IV vitamin cocktail too.

I was infected July 2016 and began treatment September 2017.

I've never tested positive for babesia but experience mild air hunger, heart pain, sweats, joint pain, chills and malaise intermittently and can induce it if I miss my artemisinin and azithromycin.

Ive tested positive for borrelia via Armin Labs and was cleared via C6-Elisa through them in September last year.

I was severely ill in the year before I began my oral regime that ultimately cleared me of borrelia and I retain a good degree of functionality currently as long as I stay on my oral antibiotics but have not been able to fully clear or stay symptom free from babesia and thus the progression to IVs.

Would appreciate it if anyone here could provide some insight on what I can expect from hyperthermia and the IVs. Can I expect a cure? I'm really not debilatated but just can't shake this babesia.


Thank you all and all the best to everyone.

If you haven’t successfully treated babesia, you may still have active borrelia.
The Elisa test isn’t something you can rely on to confirm your borrelia is in remission.

Unfortunately Azithromycin and artemisinin isn’t enough to treat Babesia.

Georgia Hunter’s comment about hyperthermia not working for Babesia - that is what a forum member was also told when she went to Europe for hyperthermia.

I do hope the IV Flagyl and Clindamycin will be effective against the Babesia.

Good luck - I hope it works for you and please let us know how it goes.

Re: Azith and artemisinin. I always thought that hey but my doctor swears it gets half his patients better, its not even standard of care for babesia according to any government body I can see. If anything its half the standard of care lol. I've been on hydroxycholoroquine for 6 months or so too so once that clindamycin hits me I'll finally be receiving the standard so hopefully that gets me over the line.

Right. My doctor did say that too. I do still get carditis which we assumed was from the babesia but seems unlikely given its hardly ever reported as causing such in humans. I suppose it could easily be remnant Borrelia.

I'll come back to this thread once a week or so and keep it updated in case anyone is following or will find it interesting in the future.

Thank you!

Girlie said...
“Standard of Care”

Whose are you referring to?

Medical guidelines for care of babesiosis in Australia and the US in regards to dosages and drug combinations. Also case studies from the literature and what they use for babesiosis in exceptional cases. Nothing I've been on as yet has matched those in terms of both dose or combination of drugs.

Girlie said...

benfast said...

Girlie said...
“Standard of Care”

Whose are you referring to?

Medical guidelines for care of babesiosis in Australia and the US in regards to dosages and drug combinations. Also case studies from the literature and what they use for babesiosis in exceptional cases. Nothing I've been on as yet has matched those in terms of both dose or combination of drugs.

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The medical guidelines for all the tick borne diseases (Babs, bart, lyme...etc) are insufficient - that’s why we have to go to llmd’s.

I couldn't agree more! My Borrelia protocol was definitely over and above what standard of care is and it has permanently reversed symptoms in me that I know 4 weeks of doxy wouldn't have. It was triple abx etc. But for my 'babesia' (no positive test for it) I have been on azith for a total of 12 months in 6 month lots and hydroxychloroquine for 6, and it has about halved my symptom severity. This falls well short of the 'official' babesiosis protocols of atovaquone + azithromycin or clindamycin + quinine/quinidine/choloroquine/hydroxychloroquine as per CDC and IDSA . My doc treads very cautiously with his prescriptions I think because he risks having his license revoked if he's caught treating outside our medical authority's purview, which is that Lyme doesn't exist and nor does babesia without a positive serology. He rarely gets positives for babesia in his patients here in Australia. So my earlier point was that his approach thus far has actually been more conservative than what the 'recognised' official therapy for babesia is here and in the USA, and that I am hoping that when I do get the 'official' therapy it does the trick, as I've not yet had it.