Bee Venom Therapy for Lyme Disease (bvt) - Part 4

i use little amounts every so often for emf radaition exposure . if your on meds should be ok just getting from foods like kelp and seaweed says mercola "Your thyroid reduces iodide (I-) into iodine (I2) for use in formation of thyroglobulin. Your body doesn't utilize iodine directly. It has to split the I2 into two I- ions, which is an oxidative reaction that causes oxidative stress.

Further, taking too much iodine may also lead to subclinical hypothyroidism, which occurs when your thyroid produces too little thyroid hormone. It's an ironic association, since hypothyroidism is often linked to iodine deficiency"

the test patch on arm is kinda cool if you havent done it yet?

3 grams of C minimum, insomnia.

Keep it up. I hope you are able to ramp up this Friday.

I just about feel like I'm healed. I do believe I have some permanent mobility damage from the initial onslaught and antibiotic regimen. But, ever since getting sick a little while back, I feel great. I do have to watch my sugar and caffeine intake. Too much of those, and my nervous system takes a huge hit, and I'm toast for the day. I'm 9 months in. But, still plan on stinging the full 2.5 years.

bluelyme, do you feel you have a ways to go still? Or have you plateaued?

Hi Insomnia.!

"Hoagie can you please explain where you stung and how you upped your bee venom dosage throughout the last 9 months?"

I primarily stuck to the spine. The last 9 months have been at 10 stings. With the exception of February. I stung 12x each session for about the entire month.

"Ok I assume you followed Ellie Lobel's protocol and started stinging on the back. When did you start going into the neck or sacroiliac area? When did you tackle the extremities? What about the front of the body (pectorals, abdominals, thighs, etc.)?
Did you also sting the head? Where exactly on the head are we supposed to sting?"

I wasn't even at 10 stings yet when I decided to sting the ulnar nerve on my left elbow to attempt to treat some cold and numbness in my pinky and ring fingers. It worked. However, I haven't made it common practice of going off the spine. I've stung my ulnar nerve twice. Cranial nerve area probably 6 or 7 times. Top of head once. Right knee 4 or 5 times. Nd a burn scar on my left bicep once. That's about it really.


"In a nutshell can you please describe where your main problem zones were and after how many months you started seeing significant improvement from the bee venom? Did you combine the BVT with abx or herbs?"

My main issues were mobility, fatigue, neuropathy, and blurred vision. I reached 10 stings in August and ramped up with in a month. It sucked. I dealt with increased vision problems and slurred speech the first few months of bvt. The first time I noticed pretty significant improvement was in October. I was still dealing with a lot of issues, with new issues popping up, even. But, my fatigue had improved significantly. It was an up and down ride from there. Basically, if I were to use a ladder as an analogy, I'd climb 2 rungs, then drop a ring, climb 2 more, maybe drop 2, but always going in the right direction

"How many stings are you currently at?
Do you think it's okay to directly sting on a BLO rash?"

I'm at 10 stings. Like i stated earlier, at the moment, I feel basically healed. But, I don't think it's so. I still have mobility issues, which I think are permanent at this point. But, my neuropathy is gone, the heavy fatigue is gone, my GI is healed, no more slurring or swallowing issues, I was experiencing wasting on the left side of my tongue which has halted.

I think it would be ok to sting on a blo site. I'd be interested in hearing the experience and what reactions you get.

I have been doing other things as well. I sleep outside. And I stay away from gluten. Gluten was a big one for me.


"I apologize for the plethora of questions.
Thanks for the insight."

Anytime. Good luck on your journey. It's a wild ride.

Blue, how much more potent are Italians compared to Carolians? I've heard you call them "sweet Carolians" and mention they're venom is a bit weaker, I believe? I always stung w/ Italians till bout 9 months ago but had to switch to Carney's for a bit. Now I'm back on the Italians and wow are they hot! Packing alittle more pop than the Carney's for sure! Appreciate your thoughts

@bluelyme I’ve been reading through your old posts and am suffering similar symptoms and fears- is bee venom what worked for you??

BTW thanks Hoagie for the interview ;)
I'd also like to thank bluelyme for sharing his knowledge.

Post Edited (insomniaaa) : 4/26/2019 5:36:07 AM (GMT-6)

Hello !
I just finished my 4th week of bvt and did 8 stings this morning ( I am French, it is 5pm here ;) ).
I can really feel the venom working in my head right after stinging.
I think I herxed ( I couldn t identify a flare or a herx but I was just worse and worse since the beginning with the antibiotics).
I am tired after stinging, I have headaches ( never had before), and a few other things.
BUT, I stopped my lyrica last sunday and my nerve pain is better ! I agonised 2 weeks before and things seem better now.
I have problems with all my muscles in the right side, they are very tight, and I couldn t walk. I was loosing the feeling in my right leg two weeks ago.
Monday, I was crying in my bedroom ( lyme, bart and probably bab are not good for the mood), and I wanted to try a short walk in my street. I RAN 2,5km !!!
Tuesday I was crappy, but yesterday I ran again, and I will run in a few minutes again !
I couldn t do that for a year, and we bought a weelchair last month !
I know it is the very beginning of my bvt, and I don t want to hope too much, but it is incredible for me to be able to run. I have a lot of pain in my feet, ankles, etc after but I don t care.
I always am depressed and anxious but no more bart rage or panic attacks, I need to cry a little every day or every other day, but it is way better than one month ago.

I know it is a roller coaster, and I am not a wonder woman, but I hope that I will bring new improvements the next time.

Have a good day !

I love bvt, even the hot pain of the stings.
I don t ice before, it can be very painful but it doesn t last very long and we can feel the venom along the nerves.
Wednesday a bee accidentaly stung my right thigh, just where I have pain in my muscle. It was like if this little girl knew where I need her venom. It was very painful and I still have a big red swelling area around the sting. Good reaction ! ( or a lot of died spirochetes haha).
I begin to be in the itching stage too.

@christinety
ya let me decifer my tagline to say bee venom had definitely been the main staple in my treatment however i have done everything under the sun except a few therapys outside of budget.
after a sjs bactrim incident and months of tests and 33 docs later i finally started bvt and herbs , a artminsia annua and andrographis decotion expelled a ascaris worm , so in a klinghardt fashion i went from biggest pathogen to smallest . i stopped researching bugs i had when i got to 9 possible catalysts to my nerve damage and went all out . i was so scared to get a port and try rocephin(14 months pulsining) , i did some rifampin and lots of zithromax iv and oral , i did iv curcumin , a month of uvbi , lots of silver iv and orally, bw formulas , zhang bart combo hh2 and allicin were most benifical , iv h202 , i used a herbal set with lots of smilax and daily rife 2hrs a day rotationing pathogens for 9 months straight , 1 month of rso helped inflammation, vsl 3,homade kombucha and 100bil pbx helped blood pressure return (maybe no2 production?) currently i used a herb tincture called intracellx (houttynia+) pulse alinia when viral hits and about weekly bv treatment with acupuncture points . i was gluten free ,dairy free , and sugar free during tx.

i owe it to the bees to plant flowers for their food , bvt has given me a new lease to help others and the life out of the ashes of lyme is different yet fully appreciated. hope that helps

Post Edited (bluelyme) : 4/27/2019 12:14:07 PM (GMT-6)

the raw honey like raw milk does carry enzymes that pasteurization kills off . most raw" heats it even too much to get it to flow...idk sounds propagandy i know some pharma co. is releasing a honey patch for burn victims as its the only thing to heal and prevent mrsa ...after 3years of bvt i dont consider myself immunocompromised but i should probably test my immunoglobulin levels again.....

Post Edited (bluelyme) : 4/28/2019 2:49:18 PM (GMT-6)

awesome rainycloud u may have to give us a success story sooner than later . with the proliferation of roundup and ccd ,the bee population and i are kinda glad everyone has a innate fear of bees. its quite a miracle tho

once after my port installation i stung after anesthesia: i wanted to scratch my own face off! bv has mast cell degranulating peptide . and it alway hurts more to sting a inflamed area . it may be the dead remnants of bacteria fungal and viral cells being cleaned up but wasnt gone til 6 months of stinging . bentonite and acv in a hot bath makes a lot of room in the proverbial toxin bucket . i think i remember making nettle tea and using lots of aloe and homeopathic arthritis creme to be able to sleep thru the itch phase... keep us posted