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Posted 5/5/2019 1:44 AM (GMT 0)
Is this generally accepted that the morning anxiety, depression and feelings of doom lean towards a babs picture??

Under a post about babesia symptoms WBF- mentioned:

"Mimosa pudica - usually for intestinal parasites, but after 3-4 weeks at full dose, it brought out babesia-type symptoms I had not previously had (morning anxiety with depression and feelings of doom, nausea, vomiting a couple times along with worsened head pain/pressure, several bouts of serious psych symptoms, weird pain in the crease of my elbows that felt like pain in my blood vessels, orange poop for a while, organ pain, increased cognitive problems, paranoia about mold, worsened chemical sensitivities, mold paranoia)"
Posted 5/5/2019 3:29 AM (GMT 0)
Lightlife - I think Babesia gave me those symptoms.

I would wake in the morning and before I could even think about anything I would be hit with a wave of anxiety and sweating accompanied by doom and gloom..it had nothing to do with my thoughts - it would just hit me before my eyes were even open.
That’s pretty much resolved - just occasionally I will wake up and have a bit of anxiety but no sweating and no doom and gloom.
I can usually remember what day of the week it is too!!!

Prior to that - for several months I would wake every few hours during the night - gasping for air, anxiety and sweating.
Posted 5/5/2019 1:45 PM (GMT 0)
Lightlife,

I think those are often babesia symptoms. I seem to hear those mentioned by folks who have babesia or are treating babesia. I wasn’t having those symptoms prior to treatment with Mimosa pudica.
Posted 5/5/2019 3:32 PM (GMT 0)
My daughter has the doom and gloom with babesia herxing. Deep sadness and bouts of tearfulness along with the typical physical crushing fatigue, sweats, and nausea. If we back off of babs treatment those symptoms lighten up a lot.

How to beat it down though is another thing. How long do you all find it necessary to treat that beast to make headway? We’ve been treating it 8 months and it’s still so tough.
Posted 12/13/2022 7:10 PM (GMT 0)
I think mimosa pudica has a small amount of DMT in it. I noticed it improved my sleep. DMT may also cause those other symptoms similar to the babaesia. https://erowid.org/chemicals/dmt/dmt_effects.shtml
Posted 12/13/2022 8:01 PM (GMT 0)
i would have said anxiety, depression, feelings of doom etc are more in line with Bartonella

there is a lot of cross over in symptoms between them - and both bart and babs cause many symptoms by the same mechanism - by causing disease in the microcirculation in all organs - especially the brain

but bart is thought to cause more CNS related symptoms and especially anxiety disproportionately to the others

unfortunately the symptoms pattern in each individual is as much to do with the "variable host response" as it is the pathogen - which is why there is so much commonality of symptoms.

serologic testing is generally v poor for both

microscopy can be used to find bart reliably - as per T-Labs - and see my thread in signature for details

Dr L - in his latest ILADS presentation describes the use of a therapeutic trial of malarone or mepron as the best diagnostic method to determine Babs - if babs is present these will cause Herxheimer reactions - then improvement - other infections will not.

he also suggests capillary blood smears with giemsa stain to find evidence of fibrin nests in the blood and piriform babesia organisms - regardless of species
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