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Posted 5/15/2022 12:41 PM (GMT 0)
tootsieroll,

Hi! I still take the TUDCA. A few months ago, I changed my routine and started taking it 3 times a day before meals. It seems to be working better for me this way. Before I was taking it morning and night with a ton of other drugs and supplements.

I have never taken bile acids other than digestive enzymes. I actually take the TUDCA with those before meals. I have mainly used Microbe Formulas product and Nutricost brand. I don’t even know what forms they are based on Rainy’s comment.

EDIT: I re-read the earlier posts to try to figure out what you were asking about. I got worse in March 2020 because of a bad mold exposure and again in April 2020 because of new, ongoing mold exposure. My mother and I had bought a house and had it remediated. The remediation was completed the end of January. March and April we were spending more time at the house and had contractors working on it. We moved in the house in June 2020, and I immediately got much worse. I moved out and back into my car in April 2021 and am still in the car.

Post Edited (WalkingbyFaith) : 5/15/2022 6:50:30 AM (GMT-6)

Posted 5/26/2022 5:14 AM (GMT 0)
@RainyCloud this is so informative!! Thank you! I am more at ease with making my choice. I’m crossing my fingers that this will be a successful trial. Cause once this is implemented without issues, I can finally address other deficiencies. TUDCA is on it’s way to me.

@WalkingbyFaith
I’m sorry to hear about the mold issue. I hope that gets sorted out so can enjoy the improvements you have made with TUDCA! How much are you taking 3x a day? Full strength? I ordered the Nutricost TUDCA.
Posted 5/27/2022 3:56 AM (GMT 0)
One capsule 3x day is what I am taking. I mostly use TUDCA. It’s a mixture, so I am not sure the amount of actual TUDCA per capsule. Nutricost comes in 250mg and 500mg, I think.
Posted 6/9/2022 1:28 AM (GMT 0)
Thanks @WalkingbyFaith! I started the Nutricost TUDCA..Let me tell you..I'm glad I started at 1/4 of a pill. An hour after taking it, I felt discomfort in my gut. Didn't think much of it but by time to get into bed that night, I had what felt like an IBS attack. I had loose stool but it was painful. This is a relief since I haven't gone #2 for about 4 days at that point. Now I'm stumped, don't know if bile caused this pain or if it caused a die-off since it could have killed some SIBO microbes as it entered my small intestine. My next move is to take half that 1/4 pill and see what happens. How do I know if bile isn't my issue? With my medication past, I'm sure my liver no longer functions normally. But with the SIBO in the way, not sure how to rectify this painlessly.
Posted 7/3/2022 11:44 PM (GMT 0)
I have experienced various effects from TUDCA as well.

Sometimes, when I haven't used it in a long time, it gives me painful D... thinking maybe it clears up congestion of the liver/gallbladder perhaps.

However, this seems to pass if I keep taking it.

I've been experimenting with it for a year or two, and it does seem to have a net benefit, although sometimes it does things that you don't want.

Might be one of those things that are good for you, but sometimes there may be a little pain/discomfort as you work through it.

Also seems like there's a possibility that you can overdo it. Maybe it feeds certain bacteria in your gut that can be problematic if overgrown.

Just some thoughts.
Posted 7/11/2022 7:53 AM (GMT 0)
Thanks for the reply NorthCountry! I think you are correct about it having the net benefits. It definitely cleared up congestion for me but it also had an adverse effect beyond the painful diarrhea. After that, I started to experience hot flatulence and hot urine. It was so odd! I think it was too irritating for my system. But how can this be when bile is naturally occurring in the body?? I cant wrap my head around this. Either way, I realized that my problem isn't just bile, it's low stomach acid. It was indicated when I took Apple Cider Vinegar and had massive die off and then some bloating reduced. I don't doubt I have bile issues, as my stool is a yellowish colour but I just don't know if TUDCA is the primary treatment for me. I wish I could tolerate it..
Posted 2/5/2023 1:28 AM (GMT 0)
I took Tudca from Bio Body half a capsule a day for 8 days that would be around 125 mg and didn't feel too well. then today Saturday I took a full capsule 250 mg, and within 2 to 3 hours I started feeling restless and shaking and Digestive problems (flatulence) Headache and Fatigue and Mental health disturbances (anxiety, depression, sleep disorder) please can someone advice.
Posted 2/5/2023 3:17 AM (GMT 0)
Is there anything else in the capsules? Or, is it only TUDCA?

I take 500 mg of TUDCA every night at bedtime without issue. I use the Double Wood Supplements brand.

Questions:

* Do you take the supplement alone? Or, do you take it with other supplements and/or medications?
* What time of day have you been taking the TUDCA?
* Do you take it with food or on an empty stomach?
* Why are you taking TUDCA? What is your goal?

My suggestions would be to:

1. Stop the supplement and wait for a few days beyond the point at which your symptoms subside.
2. Once you're feeling better for a few days, introduce a small amount of TUDCA (only one dose) and see how you feel over the next 1-3 days.
3. If you have a reaction, repeat Step #1. If you feel okay over the next 1-3 days, repeat Step #2.
4. If you continue to feel well, Repeat Step #2...but, use a higher dose.
5. If you're not taking it at bedtime on an empty stomach, I would give that a try.

You get the idea. Basically, you want to ensure it's the TUDCA that's causing the issues and not something else. We commonly see folks here make multiple changes at once and they try to attribute a negative reaction to one particular change, though it's unlikely they really know for sure what caused it. That may not be the case for you, but my point is to look at the big picture and try to hold all other variables constant -- even sleep, diet, exercise (if applicable), alcohol (if applicable), etc., etc. Treat this as a scientific experiment.

I hope some of this helps. Best of luck.
Posted 2/5/2023 6:39 AM (GMT 0)
SamBernie,

In looking through your prior posts, I noted your following comments about herxing and some similar symptoms to the ones you're currently contributing to TUDCA. Which of these other medications/supplements are you currently taking, if any?

"I have Lyme and now I started taking quercetin phytosome from Thorne 4 pieces of 250 mg daily and i am having headaches and Diarrhea and strong tremors." Source

"i am herxing now day number 15 on methylene blue 200 mg how long can it last" Source

"I took vitamin c 500 mg daily and now went up to 2000 mg daily and herxing like crazy" Source

"the tip of my penis hurts when i herx is this normal?" Source

"i went up from 75 mg to 100 dapsone and never herxed like this before . crying and restless and diarrhea and stomach ache and shaking i feel like a total crazy man." Source

"I am taking Methylene Blue already for one week 50 mg daily I wasn't herxing terrible but all of sudden after a week this Saturday that's yesterday. I started getting stomach discomfort and shaking and tiredness. my dr really wanted me to stat 100 mg Methylene Blue this week Sunday but the way things are going i cant even think of going higher and doubling my dose at least for another week." Source

"I am taking Methylene Blue in almond oil filler 50 mg from Rockridge pharmacy i am having diarrhea and bloating and tiredness is that a normal Herx." Source

"I have Babesia I was on dapsone at 50 mg the DR was debating if he should go up with the dapsone another 25 mg now or start me with Hydroxychloroquine and decided to give me once a day Hydroxychloroquine and I started Thursday 200 mg Hydroxychloroquine and I am emotionally crying non stop headaches tired sleeping a lot gassy and . please I never knew you can Herx so much on Hydroxychloroquine. herxing like crazy. cant move sleeping all day." Source

"i was just diagnosed with Lyme even though I had it for years the main positive coinfection I have is babesiosis the dr put me on ceftin for Lyme 500 mg twice a day and also first on dapsone 25 mg and i starting herxing like crazy after 3 weeks and the Herx stopped i went up to 50 mg and herxing again." Source

"I feel terrible . like an allergy reaction i feel toxic and weak and nauseous. i wish there is is one probiotic with out any side effects for me." Source

"I started taking NAC two days ago I took it two times and i have Babesia and i am shaking away with chills i feel the NAC of 500 mg is causing me to Herx and I am still at dapsone 25 mg and ceftin last night was dapsone number 19 doing pretty well with it but my DR wanted me to start NAC before I go to higher dose. but I fell I am herxing quiet a bit on this NAC." Source

"I have Babesia my DR that follows Horowitz protocol gave me dapsone 25 mg I started it 2 weeks ago and Herxing like crazy nausea weakness cant function constantly crying." Source

As someone who has dealt with hypervigilance and anxiety in my own life, do you think either of these might be factors for you, too? Or, no? Previously, when I had private health insurance, I was able to talk to some counselors and found some benefit. I'm not sure if this is an option or even an interest for you, but I thought I'd raise the topic. I'm looking at things through my own lens of experience, so I may be misguided.
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