Disulfiram - Part 2

Another good ramble Charlie!

Regarding taking mino, rifampin/rifabutin and Bactrim as well as Daraprim I did all of them for many many months and I’m still quite infected the BLO via microscope so even these drugs won’t necessarily get it done.

Oh I also have babesia Duncani which I blasted with gallons of Mepron, Coartem, Othet anti parasiticals for years and I still have it but at lower quantities than Bart.

For now I’m doing straight DSF and will see how things go. Picking other abx to take alongside is a bit of a crapshoot esp for me given long periods of taking these drugs hasn’t gotten me into remission.

I did most of this through Dr. J in DC. I think either the Dapsone or Daraprim were the main reasons for my improvement but not a full cure.

Quin said...
I don't know exactly what's going on, but when I first took valproate it knocked down borrelia but bart came back with a vengeance. People on the facebook group report the same effect from disulfiram.

I believe it, I think most could be right in this thread when they think disulfiram mainly kills borrelia and babesia, just not strong enough to erradicate certain strans of bartonella, but again, may be good enough to wake up the dormant cells of bartonella which it may be doing, then making them more vulnerable to an antibiotic. And like you said, using something like mino with disulfiram/valproate may come into play, problem just comes if there may be some side effects using these two drugs together, we're in uncharted territory, and just the fact that a lot of people have a hard time tolerating disulfiram on its own, it may be good to just rotate between disulfiram and mino, a few weeks on with disulfiram, then off, then mino for a few weeks. Very similar to pulsing technique that Dr. B uses allowing borrelia dormant persister cells to wake up while being off antibiotics, but since disulfiram wakes up pathogens, this is what will probably make it useful, thats my hunch...

Quin said...


When I took minocycline in addition to the valproate, it killed the bart. I don't know if the bartonella is 100% gone, but it is now undetectable by PCR test.

I think you made a great choice on using mino with valproate. I think mino is must for bortonella because of the penetration into the brain and deep parts of the body, I herxed tremendously when I use this antibiotic for bartonella. I just don't think there's a lot of antibiotics that penetrate tissue like minocycline or roxithromycin, which roxy is only available in other countries. I've heard omnicef and rifampin crosss the bloog brain barrier, but probably not as good as minocycline. I think one of the factors that makes pyrazinamide so effective against persister cells is it's deep penetration and deep penetration in the brain and crossing the barrier. I don't think bactrim crosses the blood brain barrier very well at all... I haven't studied the fluoroquinolones, I'm sure this is what makes them so valuable for bartonella, because of the penetration and their combination with fluoride, but I'll never touch these drugs. Fluoride is dangerous for the thyroid and I hear many people being in anxiety hell, insomnia, aka being floxxed, after being on these antibiotics.

https://fluoridealert.org/news/fluoroquinolones-the-deadliest-antibiotics-on-the-market/

Somebody said...
Fluoroquinolones have fluoride as a central part of the drug. Fluoride is a known neurotoxin, and drugs with an attached fluoride can penetrate into very sensitive tissues.

It amazes me the amount of stupid doctors willing to prescribe a fluoroquinolone antibiotic like cipro for infections like bartonella or others, when they could use pyrazinamide instead. I remember Dr. Zhang talking about how pyrazinamide pulls out the roots of these different bacteria for lyme patients, aka dormant persister cells, stops the infection from relapsing, then someone else in that ticborne working group said they'll need some more proof of a persistent infection before they start using a drug like pyrazinamide on lyme patients. The pro-IDSA doctors and just doctors in general are worthless! You can tell they could care less that patients are suffering, they'd rather use drugs like opioids and antibiotics like cipro, than something like cbd oil and pyrazinamide. Suck asses to big pharma and the medical establishment, we're just an assembly line to them, all they see is dollars! A lot of these Doctors are just a different form of bernie madoff, but with a white coat and stethoscope. Cronies to the corporate chrony capitalistic system of big pharma and the medical establishment, not in the business of curing, but "disease management and symptoms maintenance" - Ex-Pharma Rep Gwen Olsen It's only when it effects one of their family members, is one of these cronies will speak up, just like Gwen did. Yeah the system is working, you're making tons of cash, until your niece dies on opioids, sick f@#ks...

lol, Pyrazinamide has been used safely since the 1950s for tuberculosis, Disulfiram's been around since the 1940s and tested for the use as scabies, parasitic infection and intestinal worms. The medical establishment has been sitting on these drugs for decades, but then someone like Dr. H comes along and starts using them, showing that they work for chronic infection like lyme disease. Then what do doctors say in tickborne working group, we'll need more evidence before we start using something like Pyrazinamide. lol Meanwhile they've been handing out opioids and xanax like candy to patients, the doctors and medical establishment is a walking contradiction. As many will say, it's even stated in the Under Our Skin Documenatires, doxy and even a persister cell drug like Dapsone is even used for acne longterm. They are liars, corrupt, and evil, it's all coming crashing down soon, as we'll be entering a recession again because of all the money still going to the top, taxes cut for the rich yet it's time to cut foods stamps and social security, lol...

Just last year, 6 doctors were caught in a $500 million dollar opioid scam in my home state of Michigan, after they were caught, some doctors fled the country, lol
https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2018/12/06/opioid-epidemic-crisis-addiction-scam/2226214002/

Just a vibe I'm getting in modern day, but I think a lot of these Doctors don't have are best interest in mind... lol

Personally I think something like mino would probably be pretty safe with disulfiram/valproate, I just did doxy with disulfiram a couple of weeks and tolerated it pretty well. But the LLMDs using more that one antibiotic, prolly not a good idea.

Post Edited (Charlie55) : 9/9/2019 3:54:17 PM (GMT-6)

Mino did cause some head issues for me so I suspect it’s got effectiveness against Bart but clearly not enough to eradicate it for me.

I started DSF today 125mg will work up to 500mg 1x/day and see what happens.

DSF definitely hit me hard but they could also be I haven’t taken abx since dec of last year. I’ll keep y’all posted as I progress...

Quin said...


I took omnicef and rifampin and neither did anything to bart. Bactrim messed with my kidney function. Minocycline was really the only thing I was successful with against bart.

I recently took malarone and had some strange symptoms. I dunno if it's side effects of the malarone, or it triggered a bart flare up. I just had a PCR test sent to the lab to see if the bartonella is back.

Yeah I've heard Rifampin is starting to lose it's effect on bartonella and I know many say, once you're on it for bart, you have to stay on it. Bactrim seems to compliment both rifampin and omnice for a lot of patients, make the drugs stronger, sucks you can't tolerate it, but there's many that can't tolerate sulfur drugs. Mino just seems to be great!

Quin said...


I'd be cautious rotating disulfiram and minocycline every few weeks. It doesn't take that long for bart to come back once you wake it up.

Well I suspect that the whole point of waking dormant persister cells is to kill them and stop them from replicating so bartonella stops relapsing. But I know know what you're getting and know how horrible bartonella is to deal with once it flares up. This coinfection is absolutel atrocious!

Rikky1 said...
Mino did cause some head issues for me so I suspect it’s got effectiveness against Bart but clearly not enough to eradicate it for me.

It really could be solely from the herxing. I got super dizzy by the 2nd day, I'm taking 100mg x2 day. What you can do if that happens, is just skip one dosage, let the herx toxins pass for the next few hours, then still take your 2nd dosage at night. Or just skip a day... The herxing toxins can really build up in your head with mono, one hell of a drug for bartonella.

Rikky1 said...


DSF definitely hit me hard but they could also be I haven’t taken abx since dec of last year. I’ll keep y’all posted as I progress...

It's one crazy drug, I remember a few times felt like my knees felt like they were going to give out on a couple of herxes. And sometimes, it just feels like you're a little high while being on that drug, like some sort of euphoria effect. Although when the fatigue set in after 3-4 weeks, then came a little depression. There were times it felt like stones moving around in my brain, taking any dairy like yogurt or ice cream seem to make disulfiram absorb better for me.

jb1994 said...
Charlie: I am on Armour at the moment, 2 grains, plus Cytomel twice a day. I do get the electrical feeling in my feet (didn't know that was a recorded symptom, I posted a thread about it). Pins and needles in my legs and ankles yeah. Stretch marks I've always had, not sure if those are related.

Oh yeah, you definitely have bartonella.

jb1994 said...

I don't and never have had antibodies though.

https://youtu.be/bzu0weofvm8?t=5980
You can't go by the diagnostic tests, they're so inaccurate, just like Dr. H said in the video, the patient was negative for bartonella, then she went on pyrazinamide, her test then came back positive.

jb1994 said...

At this point I really can't experiment with iodine. I am so reactive right now. Bart is raging in my system. I can tolerate minocycline perfectly fine though so I don't know what that's about.

I've been there, you're doing the right thing, just hold off, like I said you can always try it down the road again...

Great to hear you can tolerate mino, but you should definitely pair it up with bactrim and another herb like houttuynia... Some even do three antibiotics.

Post Edited (Charlie55) : 9/9/2019 8:14:09 PM (GMT-6)

Charlie55 said...
Yeah I've heard Rifampin is starting to lose it's effect on bartonella and I know many say, once you're on it for bart, you have to stay on it. Bactrim seems to compliment both rifampin and omnice for a lot of patients, make the drugs stronger, sucks you can't tolerate it, but there's many that can't tolerate sulfur drugs. Mino just seems to be great!

The bart rash came back after a few months on rifampin. I eventually quit it as it just didn't seem to be doing anything.

Omnicef seems to work well for borrelia. I noticed increased borrelia herx when taking it. It never seemed to affect bartonella one way or the other.

Charlie55 said...
Well I suspect that the whole point of waking dormant persister cells is to kill them and stop them from replicating so bartonella stops relapsing. But I know know what you're getting and know how horrible bartonella is to deal with once it flares up. This coinfection is absolutel atrocious!

Well yeah, but it only seemed to take a week or so for the bart to come out. Stopping minocycline for a few weeks and letting bartonella replicate seems like a bad idea.

Charlie55 said...

It's one crazy drug, I remember a few times felt like my knees felt like they were going to give out on a couple of herxes. And sometimes, it just feels like you're a little high while being on that drug, like some sort of euphoria effect. Although when the fatigue set in after 3-4 weeks, then came a little depression.

I got this effect from valproate too. I suspect it interferes with the opioid tolerance mechanism. I tried taking naltrexone for this. It kinda worked but needed a fairly high dose, 10+ mg per day.

The side effects of valproate and disulfiram are more similar than I expected. I guess this could have been inferred from the chemical structure, but it was still a surprise to me. One thing that valproate does not do is inhibit aldehyde dehydrogenase.

jb1994 said...

I don't and never have had antibodies though.

I never had antibodies to bartonella either. Diagnosed by PCR, plus I had obvious symptoms (stretch marks).

>>Yeah I've heard Rifampin is starting to lose it's effect on bartonella and I know many say, once you're on it for bart, you have to stay on it. Bactrim seems to compliment both rifampin and omnice for a lot of patients, make the drugs stronger, sucks you can't tolerate it, but there's many that can't tolerate sulfur drugs. Mino just seems to be great!

I did Rifampin for over 6 months before jumping over to Rifabutin which has wider tissue penetration and lasts longer. I paired it with Mino and Bactrim for almost a year and the ******s are still nice and cozy in my blood.

With the amount of abx over the years i've thrown at the bugs i'm fairly certain what i have is resistant strains of Bart that have gone cell wall deficient. once that happens its near impossible to kill them.

DSF may have a different mechanism of action than your traditional RNA/DNA inhibiting synthesis so the bugs may not be able to mount a good defense against it. time will tell as more people use it.

I briefly looked to see if this was posted already. Didn’t see it so here it is. Interview with Dr. Leigner.

https://youtu.be/8copz0yqghu

jb1994 said...
Charlie - I cannot tolerate iodine. I have it in my food - I eat a lot of fish. But I cannot and do not supplement it. I cannot detox it properly and it ends up getting stored in my tissues and unused. Iodine shouldn't be used if you have detox problems because it will pull out halides and recirculate them.

And I forgot to mention... If you ever do try going on iodine or selenium down the road jb1994, do the food versions, like kelp and brazil nuts, I tried doing iodine and selenium in general, selenium made me feel sick and I think so did just a plain old iodine supplement. And I also noticed, when I did kelp and brazil nuts, that's when my thyroid responded and also the bartonella went berzek. I suspect there's a big difference with these food versions that probably absorb in the body properly, break down in your body differently so they absorb slower. The kelp is still a supplement by Country Life, but I suspect our bodies respond to it differently considering it's iodine from kelp and just not pure iodine.

I've tried other minerals/metals like iron, even manganese, they all just seem to make me sick. I think kroger has a slow release iron that was great, but I don't mess with any of this stuff anymore. Of course manganese is what borrelia feeds off of, but I just tried it a few years back to see how I would respond, as many LLMDs say lyme patients are deficient in some minerals... And of course too much metals can be a bad thing, but I suspect magnesium is one of the most important everyone should take if they have chronic lyme, it's helped me tremendously, especially dealing with bartonella. And it seems from my experience, since magneisum glcyinate gets absorbed in the body better, it won't go outside your gut if you have leaky gut, as I don't get sick at all being on KAL's magnesium glycinate.

Quin said...
The bart rash came back after a few months on rifampin. I eventually quit it as it just didn't seem to be doing anything.

And just a thought, just because the rash came back might not symbolize that's a bad thing. If I were to make an assumption, I would say it's a good thing, as I suspect it's just like when your body makes a bullseye rash when you get a tick bite and your body's making an immune response to the borrelia infection, it may be the same thing with bartonella. And something else you should consider is, just because you think you're not feeling any relief or even herxing from rifampin doesn't mean it's not working, if you were on rifampin and the bartonella rash/stretch marks appeared, it could be waking up dormant persister cells of bartonella. If you research Rifampin, it works differently than other antibiotics and targets dormant persister cells. Just like pyrazinamide specifically does.

https://youtu.be/bzu0weofvm8?t=5980
This was probably why, until this Lady went on pyrazinamide like Dr. H said... She finally tested positive for bartonella, yet before that, she was trying every bartonella antibiotic imaginable, nothing was helping her and yet her bartonella test was still coming back negative.

I think some of you are still failing to grasp the concept of what some of these drugs do, some go after live bacteria just roaming around, some just go after untouchable dormant persister cells. Pyrazinamide for instance, this drug was made specifically to target the dormant persister cell bacteria from Tuberculosis, so what it did was, as Dr. Zhang puts it, pull the roots out like a weed, this is a analogy of course, so the weed stops coming back again, meaning so patients stop relapsing.

And again, if Disulfiram wakes up dormant bartonella cells, but still enough not to eradicate all of them, the drug will still become very very useful. As once you wake up the bartonella cells, you bring in something like bactrim/mino or bactrim/biaxin, hopefully it then kills them. Bactrim has been shown to kill borrelia persister cells in the john hopkins study, but it's the matter of getting the antibiotic to the exposed bacteria... If bacteria lieing dormant, in it's round body form or protected by biofilm, you can throw as much bactrim as much as you want it and still wont kill it. Disulfiram maybe the be the key to opening up round body borrelia forms, as well as waking up these dormant coinfections underneath the biofilm, as well as possibly laying deep within the liver, again which is why some strains like malaria are impossible to kill, because they are untouchable in the liver.

k07 said...
I briefly looked to see if this was posted already. Didn’t see it so here it is. Interview with Dr. Leigner.

https://youtu.be/8copz0yqghu

Can't wait to check this out, I want to here what some of the LLMDs are saying about this drug, I still haven't watched the Dr. H podcast either.

https://www.lillianmcdermott.com/richard-horowitz-md-lyme-disease-awareness-advances/?fbclid=iwar0j930yxpcwyo5yfrj7e3kiezeav6rcogdizpgejwmws-ruw4tlxxubzbo

Good stuff, keep this going gentlemen and ladies, gives everyone hope!

sebreg said...


I think Liegner's work has possibility of significant historical importance in the lyme story, and potentially in the paradigm shift "IF" DSF proves singularly effective for many (doesn't need to be all) of what they call the PTLDS patients it will further help crack the disintegrating IDSA/CDC house of lies.

I agree... And looking forward to seeing how the IDSA responds to Disulfiram. Ya know look, this isn't the first time the IDSA has really helped chronic lyme patients. Disulfiram is very similar to Flagyl in the aspect that it targets more than one tick pathogen at once, as well as different forms. Remind you Flagyl is antibacterial, antiparasitic and as Dr. Sapi's work showed opening up round body forms and erradicating biofilms pretty well. The IDSA is manipulative in the fact that they always just did studies on Doxycycline or other single antibiotics longterm, then just came to the conclusion that longterm antibiotics don't work longterm. I mean look, Flagyl was one of the first drugs to help get some chronic lyme patients to get chronic lyme patients out of their wheel chairs. I mean I suspect Disulfiram will be a lot different considering the recent study that 2 out of 3 patients were cured of their chronic in 6 months time, I think it was around 6 months? That's just remarkable in that aspect alone, the length of treatment, along with them both having babesia. I just suspect that there's so much corruption, greed, and nation security included in the coverup up in the Epidemic of Chronic Lyme that I'm not even expecting much for justice, even if Disulfiram starts curing Lyme patients.

Post Edited (Charlie55) : 9/11/2019 8:48:44 PM (GMT-6)

WalkingbyFaith said...
I just want to say I have been and will continue to follow the Disulfiram posts with interest.

I am one who hasn’t done abx due to sensitivity and toxicity issues. Still, I am very interested in what is developing with this.

SPECIAL PLEA:
For those who are on the DSF Facebook group, please don’t abandon this forum when you recover and go galloping off into the land of the living, again. ☺️ Some of us (me) are not on FB and probably never will be. I still want to know how this develops and if it will ever be a viable option for me. I’m not getting any better.

Awesome post WalkingbyFaith, I agree, and like Darryl Hall said on Huffington Post dealing with with borrelia, babesia and bartonella, why aren't more celebrities willing talk about there experience dealing with this disease?

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/its-a-scandal-daryl-hall_b_11118332

Somebody said...


Writer - Daryl, thank you for going on the record; many celebrities don’t want to talk about this and I don’t know why.

Daryl Hall - I don’t either. I don’t know why anybody would want to hide this, there’s no stigma against it. It’s something that’s happening to everybody.

Of course I'm sure it's the harassment and stigma surrounding lyme, but I think there's other things going on behind the scenes.

WBF, Crazy part for me is that I have been so sensitive to everything I’ve put in my body. Have not stayed on a single supplement or Med in the 7 years I’ve been treating cause stuff usually just irritates my brain.

Just like you WBF I’ve been so scared to do a lot of things. Since I did a carvacrol tria in April I had been in the worst spot of my life since.

I will have completed 3 week of disulfiram tomorrow and have had no problem taking it and it absolutely feels like it’s hitting whatever is going on in my head. I had a harder time taking antihistamines in the past month. With disulfiram I do get extremely fatigued at times and a lot of mental stuff going on but it’s easily bareable and I’m in a much better spot than I was the past 4 months.

I’m guessing killing off some of the infections has decreased my sensitivity to things cause I’m no longer as sensitive to food as I was in the previous 3 months.

Also Dr. Nathan points out that a lot of people have to calm down their nervous system via FSM, cranio sacral, DNRS or Brain Tap before they can tolerate treatment. Something to think about.

Brab8878 said...
WBF, Crazy part for me is that I have been so sensitive to everything I’ve put in my body. Have not stayed on a single supplement or Med in the 7 years I’ve been treating cause stuff usually just irritates my brain.

Very common, chronic lyme patients can be sensitive with food, even supplements, some vitamins and minerals, and especially drugs.

My body still can't tolerate protein shakes, most likely do to leaky gut. Can only use certain supplements when it comes to minerals that absorb like food, but drugs for the most part I do pretty good with, everyone is different though.

As time goes on and the body heals, toleration of the drugs and even everything else should hry better. However, sometimes new coinfections surface like bartonella that may have been laying dormant, herxing can flare up and tolerating antibiotics may be tough again. You really have to be ready sometimes as treating chronic lyme can be a rollercoaster, up and down, up and down. I suspect as you eradicate through the biofilms, sort of similar to peeling the layers of an onion, that could be why patients feel like they are up and down throughout the years, as well as the coinfections.

Brab8878 said...


Also Dr. Nathan points out that a lot of people have to calm down their nervous system via FSM, cranio sacral, DNRS or Brain Tap before they can tolerate treatment. Something to think about.

Yes, I completely agree with that. For instance, even thought the LLMDs didn't use the right drugs to treat my coinfections in the first few years, I still suspect the standard antibiotics like doxy, herbs like tumeric, vitamins, exercising all helped bring down autoimmunity. For some, they may have to address the inflammation before they go onto the more potent antibiotics... Maybe even using something like LDN(low dose naltrexone) with their antibiotics... I could never tolerate bactrim earlier few years, especially minocycline. Now tolerate them just fine.

Brab8878 said...

I will have completed 3 week of disulfiram tomorrow and have had no problem taking it and it absolutely feels like it’s hitting whatever is going on in my head. I had a harder time taking antihistamines in the past month. With disulfiram I do get extremely fatigued at times and a lot of mental stuff going on but it’s easily bareable and I’m in a much better spot than I was the past 4 months.

That's where I felt a lot of stuff going on with me while on disulfiram, inside my head, it really crosses the blood brain barrier well and has a strong half life, so makes sense. Probably be a great drug for patients with really bad neurolyme.

Post Edited (Charlie55) : 9/11/2019 6:43:19 PM (GMT-6)

Took my first dose of Disulfiram yesterday - 125mg.

Felt the effects pretty quickly - inflammation primarily in the jaw and an increase in brain fog. I haven't actually really had barely any brain fog for a while so that was interesting. Didn't notice much elsewhere, I really think the jaw and brain are my last problem areas. Slept pretty well.

If I had to compare it to everything I've taken so far I'd say it feels like albendazole. Hitting some sort of protozoan in the jaw area pretty hard. Today I feel ok, no brain fog, decent energy levels but feel sort of toxic. Detoxed in the infrared sauna and it was a typical session.

Definitely getting hopeful based on this initial test. It feels like it hits whatever is left in my system, but 125mg didn't totally flatten me. So I think my overall pathogen loads are reasonable and optimistic that I will be able to ramp up to 500mg fairly quickly.

Charlie55 said...
What do they say, up to 29 different strains of bartonella, I suspect certain strains of bartonella are different just like Babesia, hence Babesia duncani, very hard to kill and may need a special persister cell drug to eradicate the pathogen to put it into remission.

I got bartonella henselae (according to the PCR test) and I likely got it from a cat. What do people do when their cats are sick? Give them antibiotics. Unsurprisingly, I got a highly antibiotic-resistant strain of bartonella.

Borrelia and babesia are much less likely to encounter antibiotics in their usual environment.

Charlie55 said...
But remember, disulfiram not only targets borrelia persister cells and kills them, but it also wakes up dormant viruses, bacteria, and parasites. So I suspect it will be good for waking up these coinfections and making them much more susceptible to drugs. That's what the article explained is the major problem with AIDs virus, dormant virus cells that hide out within deep parts of body and make it almost impossible to eradicate, so any chance AIDs patients contract a common cold, they end up relapsing and the dormant cells just keep replicating.

BTW, in case anyone was considering valproate as an alternative to disulfiram, it is also known to reactivate HIV.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/pmc1894952/

Charlie55 said...
Bartonella also seems to have a connection to dormancy in the liver as well, a lot of patients with Bartonella have high liver enzymes, so do Babesia patients. But here's the thing, Bartonella is a whole different beast together, it's not a spirochete or a parasite, it belongs to a different bacteria family called the proteobacterium phylum and acts differently.

I don't know... I've had comprehensive metabolic panels done pretty regularly, and my liver enzymes have been fine.

Charlie55 said...
And as I suspect for a lot of patients knocking back babesia with the right antiparasitic drugs and herbs will make it a lot easier to fight bartonella, it probably won't work for everyone. As I shared this link up above, like Dr. H said in the video, this woman was on every bartonella antibiotic and nothing worked. It wasn't until she tried the tuberculosis persister cell drug pyrazinamide, that's when her immune system responded and her bartonella blood test came back positive, meanwhile every antibiotic she took before never worked and her bartonella test always remained negative.

You know I suspect that a three drug combination like bactrim, rifampin, and minocycline targets all three different areas where bartonella likes to hide out at like the brain, red blood cells, and liver. But it still may not be enough to wake up or kill the dormant persister cells, that's where using something like pyrazinamide may come into play or just rotating disulfiram with these antibiotics to wak up the dormant forms of bartonella and make them vulnerable.

I never got a positive antibody test for bartonella, only PCR.

Waking up the dormant bartonella, and then killing it with minocycline worked well.

Charlie55 said...
Quin that could just be Bartonella surfacing, Flagyl is an antiparasitic and hits Babesia, for many, once they start hitting Babesia, their Bartonella symptoms start surfacing, my Bartonella symptoms started surfacing when I was using Disulfiram. Like I told the lyme patient on Facebook, high blood pressure doesn't seem to be a main side effect of disulfiram, probably not of flagyl either. But if you look up bartonella and high blood pressure, even heart racing, it's a main symptom of bartonella. Bartonella herxing in general can raise blood pressure and make your heart race...

Minocycline caused a bart herx, but I didn't get the blood pressure problem from it. Just flagyl.