I know another dreadful post about
Bartonella, lol, must be Bartonella season or something, seriously I wonder if this coinfection springs up during certain seasons out of the year?
Anyways, my Bartonella sprouted up very badly after I was on CSA Formula/A-Bab/Teasel and "iodine/kelp and selenium." Now I was on CSA and A-Bab for a good 3-4 months or so before I took iodine and the iodine seem to trigger all the Bartonella symptoms for me. Then I started researching thyroid and bartonella, as well as iodine and bartonella.
https://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=3828684There's not much on idoine and bartonella, other than one member on here saying he read a post on some blog suggesting iodine possibly targets bartonella persister cells.
https://youtu.be/tgjjtdapfdi?t=912However, I came across this great video with Dr. Evan Hirsch on Better Health guy's YouTube, where Hirsch talks about
the connection between Bartonella and the Thyroid. How for some Lyme patients, Bartonella could be causing a lot of their thyroid problems. Hirsch proposes that Bartonella attracted to the thyroid because of the incredible blood supply it has and that's where a good portion of bartonella may reside... Very interesting interview, be sure to watch it!
And as Better Health stated, the thyroid is one of the things that a lot of people do not talk about
in the connection between Bartonella and Thyroid. Even goes overlooked with many Lyme Literate Doctors!
Anyways, what I noticed is... When I was NP Thyroid, my Bartonella cognitive symptoms was when they first started to jump, but when I got off, they'd go away. Then I'd get on, they'd start back up again. But then I tried iodine/selenium, two natural and direct food sources to boost the thyroid are kelp and brazil nuts I used, that's when my bartonella symptoms became permanent. And for a week there, I herxed like crazy after taking idoine, bed sweats, severe shaking tremors in the morning. Then it died down, but the bartonella cognitive problems stayed.
Bottom line is, if you don't try to support your thyroid, you may never get better. And of course I don't think it was just Iodine that jump started my thyroid and woke up my Bartonella. I had done a primaquine/coartem protocol to knock back babesia 6 months ago, as well as CSA formula/A-Bab/Teasel for a good 3-4 months a well. And the one thing that's common is, once you knock back Babesia, Bartonella usually pops it's head out.
And of course I didn't take Iodine when I was on NP thyroid, which isn't a safe thing to do. What's funny is, my thyroid levels seem stable now. The Doctor just recently checked my thyroid antibodies, and they're basically at 10. I'll say this, it's very confusing, because many of the bartonella symptoms are basically the same as Graves Disease: hyper, agitative, anxiety, etc... And like Dr. Evan Hirsch said, for many of his lyme patients with bartonella and other autoimmune diseases like Hashimotos or Graves, once he starts targeting the bartonella, their thyroid bodies start to go down.
Remember what the media establishment says, they basically say they don't have any proof of an infection being tied to Hashimotos or Graves? Yeah right... I wonder how many cat owners have thyroid problems? Now that would be an interesting poll to take... And considering the brain parasite, aka toxoplasmosis, which also causes neurological problems. CDC seems to act both of the neurological symptoms from Bartonella and Toxoplasmosis are mild, especially Toxoplasmosis, I'm sorry I'm not buying that. Yeah maybe if both of infections are in their dormant state... But as us lyme patients found out, once you directly target these coinfections, the symptoms become quite severe, however we do have to remember the immune system of a lyme patients are quite taxed like AIDs patients. There is proof and cases though where people with just bartonella came down with schizophrenia, hence the link down below...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-6830521/suicidal-teenager-hospitalised-schizophrenia-actually-infected-cat-scratches.htmlDailyMail.co.uk said...
Teenager caught a mind-altering infection from his cat, started believing he was the 'son of the devil' and having suicidal thoughts. He suffered with hallucinations, rage outbursts and thoughts of killing his family
And I suspect certain strains of Bartonella are more severe than other strains, just like certain strains of Babesia being more severe, hence Babesia Duncani. There's like supposedly 29 identified strains of Bartonella...
Anyways, I'm currently on Bactrim, Omnicef, Minocycline, Houttuynia, and Crypto for Babesia Maintenance.
Before taking iodine/selenium and CSA Formula/A-Bab/Teasel, I had no, I mean no apparent symptoms of Bartonella, lol, go figure. As many LLMDs state, treating chronic lyme is like peeling layers of an onion back. I just many of you also consider treating the thyroid, even if it's just a thyroid pill, as it can jump start your immune system.
And if you do have Hashimotos or Graves, just so you know, treating with iodine can be risky, as it can raise the thyroid bodies on your thyroid, even increase your chances of a thyroid storm I suspect. You have to be very careful when treating the thyroid, I'm sure if you read Astroman's posts, you'll realize that. Chronic Lyme patients are always reporting of going hyper then hypo while being on a thyroid pill, what if it's not always hyperthyroid or hypothyroid, it's just the bartonella getting worse? Remember what Dr. Evan Hirsch said, once his patients started treating Bartonella successfully with A-Bart, their thyroid bodies came down.
And I highly recommend before treating with iodine checking your thyroid bodies, this would be something you should do first before taking iodine if you have chronic lyme. Then as you treat bartonella for a few months, your thyroid antibodies come down, then you could maybe introduce iodine and selenium. I'm sure doing a thyroid pill is a lot safer option if you go that route, however, I don't like counting on drugs, as your body can become dependent on them. As I've read many cases that once you take a thyroid pill longterm, your body and thyroid relies on it forever, just like the sports athletes that abuse steroids, their bodies bascially stop producing testosterone. I mean, I suspect it's still possible that you could still wake up your thyroid a few years down the line after treating chronic lyme, as I suspect the body can heal itself, but not everybody, especially considering age. But the choice is up to you, whether you want to take iodine/selenium or a thyroid pill.... . But definitely have to factor in your thyroid antibodies, as the last thing you want is for your immune system to attach your thyroid if you use iodine.
Anyways, be sure to subscribe to that Better Health Guy on YouTube, talk about
a gold mine for information. I've seen some of his other videos with Dr. Sapi, this was an incredibly educational video on Bartonella.
I'm not sure why I, me personally, my bartonella symptoms were never prevalent. I mean everyone's body is different and I suspect everyone has different strains of bartonella and babesia, they all act differently I suppose and go to different parts of the body. Some target the brain, some target the thyroid, some target the wrists and ankles, bottom of the feet etc...
https://youtu.be/bzu0weofvm8?t=5979But what Dr. H said in this video here? He said until he treated this one severe Bartonella patient treated with pyrazinamide, that's when her bloodwork first came back positive. Before that she had treated with all types of antibiotics for Bartonella, nothing worked and her bartonella blood test would always come back negative. It seems pyrazinamide really woke up her Bartonella and her body began to respond and build antibodies. Remind you pyrazinamide is a persister cell drug for drug resistant tuberculosis, also has a really long "half life," so it's great for saturating tissue and penetration, also crosses the blood brain barrier. I may follow up with it after bactrim, mino, and omnicef. However, I may take safer route with disulfiram, as I suspect disulfiram targets bartonella too. And I almost forgot, there was another time I did have these cognitive problems sprout up, which was when I was on disulfiram, and I didn't even realize it, because I'd only see short spurts of anxiety, OCD and intrusive thoughts while being on disulfiram, then it came to the point where I became so fatigued on disulfiram that I was too afraid to take it any longer because I worried about
the side effects. I think it's very possible that disulfiram could put all three B's in remission consider the 2 out of 3 patients in the recent disulfiram study. I think most people that do have Babesia, most likely have Bartonella too, just like Dr. H and Dr. J says, the three B's... However, just like I said, there's so many different strains of Bartonella, I think there's going on 29 strains reported, it's a possibility that disulfiram may still not be enough for everyone's different strain of bartonella. Some may have to follow up with something like pyrazinamide may be a must for some chronic lyme patients.
And I do also suspect that certain strains of Babesia, like Babesia duncani may have hypnozoites that lay dormant in the liver like drug resistant forms of malaria, that's why drugs like primaquine and tafenoquine are used, to specially target that dormant form of parasite that hides out in the liver. Of course this is just a theory, but as most Doctors will say, Babesia is very, very similar to Malaria. Problem with both of those drugs, they are very dangerous and cause serious side effects, for some permanent side effects that damage the brain stem, quinine drugs can cause this newly studied disease called quinism. Kind of like fluoroquinolones and being floxxed. And both of the drugs companies seem to deny the side effects they cause, so be careful!
If Babesia does have a dormant form that does hide out in the liver like Babesia duncani, maybe Disulfiram will be safer drug to take and target those hypnozoites, since it has a strong half life, penetrates deep into the tissue and has shown to wake up dormant cells even for the AIDs virus. Disulfiram is a lot safer drug, but story goes, the patient that cured her breast cancer that spread to her bones, didn't realize she was in remission with cancer and end up committing suicide, possibly a side effect from Disulfiram, which is depression. So take notice of the side effects of these drugs, so when you do go on them, you notice them, then immediately stop taking them and maybe take a break. Or not take them at all, as I wouldn't risk taking any of the fluoroquinolones for my bartonella.
Post Edited (Charlie55) : 9/8/2019 9:36:55 PM (GMT-6)