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Posted 11/15/2019 3:11 PM (GMT 0)
I have read that you shouldn't take magnesium supplements as the co-infections/lyme like the magnesium. Is this true? My mom doesn't want to be taking magnesium and feeding the bacteria/parasites (lyme/bart/babesia/anaplasmosis/query fever). I know magnesium is low in lyme. The reason I ask this is because the first LLMD had her taking extra iron as it was low from Babesia, so she did and she wasn't really getting rid of the Babesia while taking the extra iron until she stopped it. Her iron came up naturally once the Babesia was killed off. Our theory was the extra iron was feeding the Babesia. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
Posted 11/15/2019 3:26 PM (GMT 0)
This is a topic that's been discussed many times, though it might be for any vitamin or mineral. In short, you can't starve pathogens without starving yourself.

My opinion is we should strive to get our nutrition (vitamins, minerals, phytonutrients, etc.) from whole food sources in their natural package, rather than isolated supplements. Supplementation may be necessary for some folks in certain situations, but manipulating lab values doesn't always translate to improved outcomes.

Again, these are opinions from a layperson. I'm not a doctor, nurse, pharmacist, or dietician. So, you should consider consulting a qualified practitioner for guidance.
Posted 11/15/2019 3:43 PM (GMT 0)
dr k uses iv magnesium or suggests topically with mag oil.....
Posted 11/15/2019 3:49 PM (GMT 0)
That appears on this forum every now and again.


Even IF lyme did like magnesium - then we need to supplement it because we need it.
It’s an essential mineral.

My LLMD has me supplement magnesium daily.

“Our theory was the extra iron was feeding the Babesia. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.”
I don’t think so - Babesia is difficult to irradicate..

Again - if your body is lacking - you need to supplement.
Posted 11/15/2019 3:57 PM (GMT 0)
Magnesium is critical for nervous system health, which you really need to safeguard with Lyme. My providers unanimously recommend that all people with Lyme supplement magnesium.

I prefer magnesium glycinate because it has no laxative effects.
Posted 11/15/2019 4:39 PM (GMT 0)

saraeli said...
I prefer magnesium glycinate because it has no laxative effects.

Have you had any experience with Magnesium Threonate? Some sources suggest it's more absorbable than most other forms. But, as usual, opinions vary.

Posted 11/15/2019 5:15 PM (GMT 0)
Funny I just ordered Magnesium Threonate from healthmasters. I have never tried it. it was $50:

Magnesium Brain Food features (magnesium L-threonate, the only form of magnesium proven in animal studies to cross the blood-brain barrier. Boosting the brain’s magnesium level is vital to healthy cognition, which includes long- and short-term memory, learning, stress management, and sleep.


I have never had problems with Magnesium with lyme. I take a lot of it and shower in it.

But, I have had problems with Vitamin C, Vitamin D, ALA, and a bunch of other stuff.
Posted 11/15/2019 5:19 PM (GMT 0)

The Dude Abides said...

saraeli said...
I prefer magnesium glycinate because it has no laxative effects.

Have you had any experience with Magnesium Threonate? Some sources suggest it's more absorbable than most other forms. But, as usual, opinions vary.


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Last appt with Dr. J - he told me to take mag threonate. So that's what I'm using now.
When I first started treating lyme - several years ago...the 'go to' magnesium was the glycinate.
Posted 11/15/2019 5:29 PM (GMT 0)

oregonhay said...
Funny I just ordered Magnesium Threonate from healthmasters. I have never tried it. it was $50:

Magnesium Brain Food features (magnesium L-threonate, the only form of magnesium proven in animal studies to cross the blood-brain barrier. Boosting the brain’s magnesium level is vital to healthy cognition, which includes long- and short-term memory, learning, stress management, and sleep.

I have never had problems with Magnesium with lyme. I take a lot of it and shower in it.

But, I have had problems with Vitamin C, Vitamin D, ALA, and a bunch of other stuff.

Quite a coincidence, indeed. That's a good write-up you shared...thank you. I sure hope you find the Magnesium Threonate beneficial. That certainly wasn't cheap -- hopefully it's a lot of servings.
Posted 11/15/2019 6:05 PM (GMT 0)
Thanks everyone, so how much magnesium per day for a person with lyme?
Posted 11/15/2019 6:42 PM (GMT 0)
ok wait I was wrong. Magnesium Oxide made me sick. But Magnesium Citrate did NOT make me sick and I take 1g a day typically. I have not tried Magnesium Threonate -- I just ordered it, it should be next week, but everyone says that's the one to try.

But I do not recommend the cheaper Magnesium Oxide, and I do recommend the Magnesium Citrate. And if I learn more about the Magnesium Threonate I'll post on here.

So I guess: start with 250mg, wait 24 hours see if better, then continue to 500mg or even 1gram a day.
Posted 11/15/2019 6:59 PM (GMT 0)

Canfossi said...
Thanks everyone, so how much magnesium per day for a person with lyme?

If you're going to supplement, you may wish to consider these:

https://www.prohealth.com/library/the-magic-of-magnesium-7371
https://www.livescience.com/42972-magnesium-supplements-facts.html*
(*Be sure to see the last section about safety and drug interactions.)

If you wish to try food, these may be helpful:

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=nutrient&dbid=75
https://www.myfooddata.com/articles/foods-high-in-magnesium.php
Posted 11/15/2019 8:41 PM (GMT 0)
What Dude said!

Myself: I love magnessium.....well..the good stuff. Without it I would not have been able to move enough to work.

The "good stuff" im refering to was always Mag Glyc. (KAL brand too) for the last twelve years after trying ALL the others types up untill Mag T was introduced.

Mag oxide is a laxitive used for a diff purpose.

Have not tried the new Mag "T" and prob should.

Now and then on some cold weekend winter nights or mornings I will spray myself down with the mag topical spray, its relaxing and way more effective than epsomb salt baths. Gotta shower after though and it stings before it relaxes.
Posted 11/15/2019 8:54 PM (GMT 0)
Astro, I just remembered about the ReMag product from RnA ReSet.

Have you heard anything about it?
Posted 11/15/2019 9:31 PM (GMT 0)

The Dude Abides said...
Astro, I just remembered about the ReMag product from RnA ReSet.

Have you heard anything about it?

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I have not researched it. This is "newer Mag product" #2 that I should try sometime. Could at least set a new baseline with this.
Posted 11/16/2019 12:33 PM (GMT 0)
Seeing most of the drs (with the Lyme protocols) recommending oral Magnesium-of various different forms-As Magnesium deficiency is the norm in the US & goes along with the Lyme issues. I've also seen those who insist that orally administered Magnesium actually feeds the spirochetes.Think, Steven Buhner believes that. We use Magnesium Chloride flakes, dissolved in warm water and soak the feet for about 1/2 hour. Some people rinse afterwards, I don't. Do this before bed & sleep like a baby. We like, the stuff harvested from the ultra-clean, ancient Zechstein sea. See a few sellers like, Ancient Minerals brand but I get it from Piping Rock in huge,2.5lbs green, plastic bottles. If you take baths use a couple of cups. For foot soaks, I use 1 cup. If your feet are clean, you CAN use the same foot bath, twice to save money. Just put it in a big, stainless-steel stock pot so you can heat it, slightly before next use. I guess, some folks are using Mag patches but haven't tried them. My mom does make pain creams & lotions with 'Mag oil' made from the Mag Chloride. Transdermally, Magnesium is better absorbed so I've read.
Posted 11/16/2019 3:43 PM (GMT 0)
Black Tara - I don’t think magnesium gets into our blood better via the skin vs orally.

on the healinglyme website - Buhner answered the question about feeding the spirochetes with oral supplementation


“In my case I’m very low in iron and magnesium. What are your thoughts on having to repair a deficiency during lyme treatment? If you’re very low, would it make sense that the immune system will not perform to its full capacity unless these deficiencies are corrected to keep fighting lyme?

Stephen’s response:
Sigh. I don’t subscribe to that orientation. Essentially, ALL PARASTIC BACTERIA FEED ON CERTAIN SUBSTANCES FROM OUR BODIES, that is why they live in us and not in the wild in some pond. They have to get certain substances from us because they can’t make it themselves. The treatment then focuses on making sure the body is not depleted of those substances because YOU CAN’T LIVE WITHOUT THEM EITHER. Making sure that those levels are high will keep many symptoms at bay. You also, of course treat the bacteria themselves through other means. So, in essence. YOU ARE COMPLETELY CORRECT.”
Posted 11/16/2019 4:38 PM (GMT 0)
you need magnesium and should be taking magnesium - the bugs are going to get magnesium whether you take it or not - so you might as well take it enough to supply your body lol
Posted 11/17/2019 2:12 AM (GMT 0)
Like lymedriven said, the bugs are going to steal your magnesium regardless so you might as well allow yourself extra. Spinach has a lot (iirc). Mag oxide is good if you're constipated because it's very poorly absorbed. If you want better absorption, citrate is the cheapest bioavailable form.
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