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Posted 1/3/2020 1:45 PM (GMT 0)
I recently had mold testing done by Vibrant Laboratories. Out of the 18 or so toxins they tested for, just one was flagged high Roridin H (85.0, ref: 25.1 – 50.0) and two were flagged mildly elevated Aflatoxin M1 and Ochratoxin A. Is there really ANY significance to this?

I don’t know too much about mold and I hate to generalize but if I had to guess I feel a lot of the population would test positive for just one of these toxins on this report and don’t see this as being significant. I could be completely wrong though. The practitioner I’m working with started me on PC, bitters, and ultra binder but couldn’t really address how significant this was OR if it’s likely to be contribution to my symptoms.
Posted 1/3/2020 2:28 PM (GMT 0)
I had the Great Plains Mycotoxin test done and had higher levels of a couple molds. Like you, I'm not sure how it is affecting my health, as it's very evident that I have Lyme and most likely co-infections that are giving me significant symptoms. It's said that it can be hard to recover from Lyme if you are exposed to moldy conditions. I do try to take precautions like using dehumidifier in basement, air purifiers in house, take binders, be aware of water leaks, etc.

I'm currently on an aggressive ABX protocol for Lyme and Co. Focusing on that mostly now as I have seen good improvement in the past with ABX.
Posted 1/3/2020 8:39 PM (GMT 0)
Can people with Lyme ever get better even with mold toxin binders, if they are continually exposed to a moldy environment?
Posted 1/4/2020 2:29 AM (GMT 0)
The ochratoxin A and aflatoxin can come from food. I was told about ochratoxin by a person with PhD in fungi. And aflatoxin can be in peanuts.
Posted 1/4/2020 4:24 AM (GMT 0)
I'm wondering the same thing. My natro seems to pass off more digging and settling with the mold. I'm sure it's not helpful and contributing but the main player idk. And there never seems to be a good time to take the charcoal.
And she says she doesn't get good results unless you move. Well I don't know how moldy my home is. I don't see it unless it's humid in summer. And not sure what kind is the kind I see. I just don't want to up and on move and have same symptoms due to untreated coinfection or Lyme.
Posted 1/4/2020 11:08 AM (GMT 0)

Canfossi said...
Can people with Lyme ever get better even with mold toxin binders, if they are continually exposed to a moldy environment?


You can not get better in a moldy environment if you're sick from mold as well. The first step in the Shoemaker protocol (which many mold doctors use) is to remove from exposure. Mold illness, like Lyme, is unfortunately very prevalent since a quarter of the population lack the gene that recognize mold as a foreign substance, and half the buildings in the US have water damage.

The only way to get better is either to remediate or move. There is something called an ERMI test that is used to determine levels of mold in your home. Taking binders is very important especially if you're constantly being exposed. I'm still taking binders and I'm out of my house a year. My doctor used Real Time Laboratories to determine my levels of mycotoxins (there were four different ones). There are also blood tests from standard labs that measure certain markers to see if you are indeed sick from mold as well. Hope this helps.

Post Edited (Jerseyjill) : 1/4/2020 4:23:46 AM (GMT-7)

Posted 1/4/2020 10:56 PM (GMT 0)
I agree with you sandyfeet. I did the Great Plains test and results were high.

BUT I so wanted a negative test that I took a lot of things starting two weeks before test to get rid of toxins. So I'll never know if I was high because of that.--everything coming out of me all at once.

But I wont spend more money to test again. I'll just keep taking those things.

I had air samples taken but wish I'd known about ERMI to test dust instead. I plan to do that. No sign of mold anywhere.

I believe reason for my test results were caused by food.
Posted 1/5/2020 8:56 PM (GMT 0)
As was previously mentioned, mold can mimic lyme symptoms. One thought, if you haven't had it done already, is to see if you carry the HLA-DR gene, which makes recovering from mold exposure difficult for those who have it, which can result in a myriad of symptoms and issues. If you do carry that gene, I would take the lab test more seriously and consider those elevated levels could be a source of your problems.
Posted 1/6/2020 1:09 PM (GMT 0)
Thanks for the info
Posted 6/3/2020 7:22 PM (GMT 0)
Was it vibrant-america labs that did your test? Or if not anyone else use them? I should be getting tested next week and the NP uses that company not sure if I should get it done through great plains instead.

And any certain foods to avoid before the test?
Posted 6/3/2020 10:43 PM (GMT 0)
Avoid wheat, barley, corn, alcohol, peanuts, sugar cane, sugar beets, cereals, hard cheese, sorghum, rye, nuts (especially non-whole nuts and nut butters), dried fruit, packaged and smoked meats, yeasts, and some edible fungi. Some people do a provocation beforehand, meaning Epsom salt bath or infrared sauna for a few days, to make sure any stored mycotoxins are released into your system, making them more likely to appear in your sample. Morning urine is recommended, as it's more concentrated. Good luck!
Posted 6/8/2020 12:38 AM (GMT 0)
Thanks Saraeli, lucky I've given up most of that stuff except for the nut butters I'll stop those

Anyone know about binders? I take citrus pectin and recently started chlorophyll. Should I keep taking those before the test? I'll do a few epson salt baths before.
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