Mold question

According to Dr. Shoemaker (CIRS/mold guru), the toxins can remain inside you indefinitely and get recirculated in the bile. That’s why Cholestyramine seems to work very well. It binds toxins in the bile and escorts them out via the bowel tract.

Looking for the answer to this in my notes but can't find it.... I think a Better Health Guy podcast from a couple of years ago dealt with this question. They said that if your detox pathways are working perfectly (which they almost certainly are not for anyone chronically ill) and you are not being exposed to any mold anymore at all, then it takes something like 18 months for half of the mycotoxins stored in your body to work their way out. Binders can help speed that up and also make sure the mycotoxins don't get reabsorbed as they are mobilized. I hear a bunch of things about this though, like that if you have a bunch of mycotoxins in fat stores and years later lose those fat stores, then the mycotoxins are released back into circulation. Not sure anyone has a definitive answer. So long story short, they will be in your system for a long time. :-/

Different binders work for different mycotoxins, so it's helpful to know which types you are dealing with. For example, bentonite clay is a nice binder, but if you are dealing with ochratoxin, then cholestyramine is going to me much more effective.

Thanks all, I cant seem to stop searching for answers. I want my brain back so bad and get rid of the inflammation that is causing some of the psych issues, twitching, and nueropathy. They seem flair up throughout the day. It could be the tick born infections causing a herx from the abx. I got to be patient though because im only approaching month two of treatment. I hope the abx are working I been feeling crummy on the abx in other ways than usual. I herx about 3-5 hrs after abx everyday for the last two months unless it is not a herx. I wonder of all this is mycotoxin from old mold exposure or bart? How long after abx should I see improvement? I guess I had high hopes for abx because I been on herbals for 3.5 yrs prior.

k07 said...
I just did the mymycolab test - serum igg/ige response to many molds. I don’t currently have exposure but the belief of some is you can’t clear mycotoxins. This doctor believes you need antifungal (itraconazole). Does not use CSM because it binds good stuff too. So I’ll be taking itraconazole if I have positive test.

https:// https://mymycolab.com/

k07,

Hey! Always interested in what you have to say. I had never heard of this lab, so I looked it up. I’m wary of this after reading their site. This is an antibody test for mycotoxins as opposed to mold antibodies. They state mold antibody tests won’t identify WHEN you were exposed, as you will always have the antibodies. Yet, they don’t apply the same logic to antibodies to mycotoxins. IMO, unless you have lived in a plastic bubble your entire life, you have been exposed to both molds and their mycotoxins and would have antibodies to what you were exposed to - assuming you have a functioning immune system capable of identifying these toxins and creating the antibodies.

Shoemaker seems to suggest that genetically susceptible people’s immune systems may fail to identify the toxins if those faulty genes have been activated (genomics).

Additionally, this lab states that urine mycotoxin testing is “useless,” because food contains mycotoxins. They also claim ochratoxin cannot be identified in urine in spite of other labs who do urine testing measuring it in urine. I would heartily argue that urine mycotoxin test is definitely not useless based on the 3 tests I have done in conjunction with ERMI testing.

This doc won’t prescribe CSM because it binds good things, too? Most any binder will bind certain good things depending on when it’s taken. CSM for mold is not meant to be taken indefinitely. I would dare say that 30 days of CSM at full dose could remove a lot of toxins draining the body.

Something is amiss here.

Anti-fungals definitely helped me, though. I wish someone had prescribed them much sooner. Greg from biotoxin journey also commented that he was helped by antifungals. Shoemaker, of course, disagrees with using antifungals.

Doctors and their opinions. They can’t all be right if they advocate opposite things. So frustrating.

And btw those are all good questions!

Are we always exposed to mycotoxins or just molds? I’m getting confused now!

Also, mold antibody would be allergy. Which I’m highly positive for. Mycotoxins are what make some sick so that’s why those antibodies are checked.

Ochratoxin supposedly STRONGLY binds with albumin so couldn’t excrete in urine. He states there is medical literature to back that up but I have not researched it.

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