Covid vaccine advice yet again, please...

[quote]I'm 71 years young, and I've never seen the degree of suppression of facts and discourse and manipulation of public opinion as we have now. We were supposed to be beyond this, but in our arrogance we have fallen deeper into it. And it's done openly and shamelessly, indeed, under pretense of righteousness. This is unAmerican, unethical, and considering the human cost, grossly immoral.

The rot goes all the way to the top of our institutions. The scientific establishment has in the past persecuted those whose truth-telling threatened positions and pride, such as Dr. Jacob Edelweiss, who had the temerity to suggest that doctors simply washing their hands after touching diseased patients and before delivering babies would save new mothers from much suffering and death. He was hounded out of his profession. And the vested interests today, starting with the pharmaceutical industry, are only more powerful than what he faced.

It's impossible for me to believe that this system and its proponents have my best interests in mind. Most people with chronic Lyme should readily understand that the medical industry has become inflexible and self-serving, and that solutions are now to be found in alternatives.

I have never seen this nation so close to an evil totalitarianism.[quote]
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This is a borderline insane post. Insane. Yes, the medical industry has generally not served us lymies well in many aspects, but when it comes to vaccines, they are modern medicine’s greatest achievements. The rapid development and deployment of the covid-19 vaccines, especially the mRNA ones, have saved and will continue to save millions of lives around the world from a very painful, lonely death. The facts aren’t being suppressed and no one is forcing you to take it, you’re just pushing the same misinformation from
Social media that is costing people their lives. If you don’t want to take it, that’s your choice. No one is forcing you to. The immoral human cost is illness and death from your covid disinformation.
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I agree with you 100% on everything you wrote.

I think one of the greatest crimes in this whole pandemic is the refusal by heath authorities to tell people about early treatment guidance but instead they have suppressed remedies that work such as hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) with zinc, ivermectin, vitamin D or NAC.

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None of those remedies works against covid. None. It’s not a big conspiracy by big pharma, or the government suppressing facts, they just do not work for covid at all and unfortunately people pushing this misinformation have caused people
To pay with their lives.

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I only hope that these evil actors end up going to jail for all the crimes they have and still are committing.

It makes me wonder why these covid vaccines were patented around year 2002 or earlier? Thus they had the vaccines way before the virus came out? If that doesn't make anyone suspicious I don't know what does.

And yes, people with lyme should go with the alternatives I listed above.

Denise

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Jesus Christ. The Covid-19 genome wasn’t even mapped until around Jan 2020. And for the love of God, do not go with the quack alternatives Denise posted.


It cannot be repeated enough: people are DYING because they read this garbage on social media and avoid a readily available vaccine that is appropriate for most people. (Note: There are many people on these forums who may fall into the category where it may not be appropriate to take due to medical issues from lyme, autoimmune dysfunction, etc). Facebook or a social media site taking down posts on HCQ etc isn’t because they’re suppressing “the truth”, it’s because it’s false info that is causing preventable illness and death.

i joined this forum for a question about parasites and lyme.
i want to thank everyone for answering my question, i was overwhelmed with the kindness i received.
but i dont think i can stay on this forum after reading this discussion.

my point is, some people here, and solaris you in particular are not very kind in the way you discuss things.
calling people's information "garbage" for example. that's not very kind.

and id like to respond to your comment solaris here in particular:

"Facebook or a social media site taking down posts on HCQ etc isn’t because they’re suppressing “the truth”, it’s because it’s false info that is causing preventable illness and death."

you are very wrong about this.
science has always reached its most valuable research in history from having many DIFFERENT research/discussions/disagreement(s) and agreement(s).
hypothetically speaking, lets say that other treatments for covid don't work (as you are saying).
even then, censorship is not the answer.

how do you think we learned about all these protocols for lyme? whether its antibiotics or herbs.
what if we had listened to the CDC?
who says lyme can be cured in 3 weeks. and that chronic lyme doesnt exist.
what if facebook had censored everything about lyme that wasn't CDC approved? or "science" approved?
or if they censored everything that wasn't approved by the "scientists" (or should i say, the scientists they agree with).

my point is, even if HCQ and ivermectin aren't helpful ( in your opinion ).
then censorship is still not the answer.
if you disagree with something, use an argument against it. not censorship. you are under the impression that people cant think for themselves and make their own conclusions, and the importance of this. and that facebook has to "save them" from "bad" information.
no, let people think for themselves please.
anyway, this will most likely be my last post on this forum, which is sad because you were all so kind in my parasite post.

i myself am very grateful for ivermectin, it made me recover from covid in 4 days.

Coffeeholic said...
i joined this forum for a question about parasites and lyme.
i want to thank everyone for answering my question, i was overwhelmed with the kindness i received.
but i dont think i can stay on this forum after reading this discussion.

my point is, some people here, and solaris you in particular are not very kind in the way you discuss things.
calling people's information "garbage" for example. that's not very kind.

and id like to respond to your comment solaris here in particular:

"Facebook or a social media site taking down posts on HCQ etc isn’t because they’re suppressing “the truth”, it’s because it’s false info that is causing preventable illness and death."

you are very wrong about this.
science has always reached its most valuable research in history from having many DIFFERENT research/discussions/disagreement(s) and agreement(s).
hypothetically speaking, lets say that other treatments for covid don't work (as you are saying).
even then, censorship is not the answer.

how do you think we learned about all these protocols for lyme? whether its antibiotics or herbs.
what if we had listened to the CDC?
who says lyme can be cured in 3 weeks. and that chronic lyme doesnt exist.
what if facebook had censored everything about lyme that wasn't CDC approved? or "science" approved?
or if they censored everything that wasn't approved by the "scientists" (or should i say, the scientists they agree with).

my point is, even if HCQ and ivermectin aren't helpful ( in your opinion ).
then censorship is still not the answer.
if you disagree with something, use an argument against it. not censorship. you are under the impression that people cant think for themselves and make their own conclusions, and the importance of this. and that facebook has to "save them" from "bad" information.
no, let people think for themselves please.
anyway, this will most likely be my last post on this forum, which is sad because you were all so kind in my parasite post.

i myself am very grateful for ivermectin, it made me recover from covid in 4 days.

Hi Coffeeholic, please don't leave. You will find there are many people who feel threatened by other treatment ideas such as ivermectin (by the way I'm so happy that it helped you!).

Most members are very kind and intelligent and they not only are they sick with lyme but they try their best to help others. Just because a few members feel threatened when someone like myself post questions about viruses, lyme, etc. shouldn't be a reason to leave. Most posts here are very helpful from most of the members.

Please rethink your decision okay?

Best to you,
Denise

dear deejavu and paul b,
i feel so overwhelmed by your kindness (in a good way).
after giving it some thought (thanks to your comments), i will stay on this forum.
i truly appreciate you two.
and i apologize for the gross parasite question the other day!
thank you and i'll be around on this forum.

Coffeeholic, I'll just chime in and say welcome to the forum and glad you're sticking around! Thank you for your input. It's good to hear your Ivermectin success story.