Are skin indentions that are not red, Bart?

Bart causes many different skin manifestations

Marna Ericson at T-lab was talking about how when she looks at bart infected skin tissues under confocal laser microscopy - the blood vessels and the lymph vessels are all messed up and the collagen fibrils are all tangled - so it does lots of stuff at the sub cellular level - which may be one of the reasons why skin symptoms are so variable

can be hypo pigmentation or hyper pigmentation
can be white papules or blisters
can be blood coloured papules
can form leathery plaques which may be dark or light
streaks can be red or purple or white - esp if older

also makes your skin easily indented by clothes, sheets, straps etc and slow to recover

post a photo if you are comfortable

no problem - just upload the image to an image hosting site - like this one
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then post the link it gives you into your forum post - and hey presto!

Brandiwine,

Looks very similar to marks I have. If you didn’t have this before Lyme/co, then you can safely assume it’s bartonella marks, IMO.

RainyCloud said...

Garzie said...

also makes your skin easily indented by clothes, sheets, straps etc and slow to recover

I have this Garzie.
Every time I wake up I can see all the shapes of my bed sheets on my skin. It looks ridiculous.
Sometimes on my face too.
Goes away after 30 minutes or so.

Garzie and Rainy,

Did this only happen to you after getting sick and never before? I have had this as long as I can remember. I have had so many things all my life that went unrecognized until my life altering symptoms began.

i believe its new since becoming ill with this thing

of course anyone who had pressure on their skin for any time will observe some kind of mark - but with this illness the amount of pressure needed to leave a mark is much less and the marks last longer.

the elasticity of the skin is changed in some way

since the skin is changed - i believe its due to a bacteria that lives in the skin so either lyme or bart - bart is known to disrupt blood vessels in the skins dermis layers and also the lymph vessels there - as well as the collagen fibrils which make up the skins tough elastic properties - so my vote would be primarily bart as the main cause - its well known for causing a v wide spectrum of skin effects - apart from the bart streaks - plaques, hypo pigmentation, hyper pigmentation, red spots, papules etc etc

however its possible that whatever other mechanisms are in place that cause systemic inflammation will age the skin more also to some extent - causing loss of elasticity. so other infections, leaky gut, heavy metals, mold etc could in theory all make some contribution - however if you have odd other varied skin issues - i would say that raises the suspicion of bart.

Post Edited (Garzie) : 10/23/2021 2:53:29 PM (GMT-6)

Rainly - have a watch of this interview with Dr Marna Ericson on confocal laser microscopy of bart infected skin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxvwf47cglk

Jake does a great job of interviewing and the content is really interesting - esp about the structural changes in the dermis in bart

ps i wrote to Dr Ericson with my hair fibre images - as she mentioned changes to hair fibres elsewhere - but haven't heard anything back.