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Jellybean4688
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Posted 10/30/2011 4:19 AM (GMT 0)
So, I have alot of output from my stoma. I empty my bag regularly and clean it out with cool water when it gets too "dirty". I looked through the bag tonight at my stoma, and it is very "dirty". It's covered with all my digestive matter etc. I tried to clean it again by pouring cool water in the bag, but it didn't cut it. Should I try to keep it clean? Will it get infected if it stays covered in my digestion? How should I clean it?
B'Dereh
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Posted 10/30/2011 4:45 AM (GMT 0)
Hi Jelly,
the stoma, on the outside of your belly, is your small intestine, so nothing is going to happen to it when there's digestion on it. The skin around it - that's another matter. It is very crucial that no digestion get on it or stays there. So when you change your bag, make sure you clean the skin very well with water, neutral, gentle, non-perfrumed soap, and dry it gently and thoroughly before putting on the new bag. You may want to apply stoma powder on the skin first.
Imagine that you're using skin-colored bags, instead of see-thru. You wouldn't know what is on the stoma, and it's going to have its own output on it all the time. That's ok. You can take the bag off when you take a shower, and the flowing water will clean the stoma off. You could output during the shower too, but don't worry about
it, it just goes down the drain.
Blueheron
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Posted 10/30/2011 4:52 AM (GMT 0)
You do not have to keep your stoma clean and it would be near impossible to do so since ileostomies output almost constantly. Occasionally I will rinse out my pouch as you do if my output is thick or really smelly, but within minutes my stoma is messy again.
Remember that an intestine is used to having poop on it. A week after my surgery, my skin pulled away from my stoma a little bit. While it was healing, poop got in the crack between my stoma and skin it all the time. I thought for sure it would get infected but it was no problem. I guess our bodies are tougher and more used to our own biologic flora than one would think.
One thing that helps is using an opaque pouch. Then you don't have to see the waste on your stoma all the time. If you want to use clear one-piece bags because they are easier to get over your stoma, you can get a cloth pouch cover.
blueglass
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Posted 10/30/2011 1:29 PM (GMT 0)
Agree with all the rest.... the stoma is just the tip of your intestine, and the rest of the intestine is dirty all the time (for an end ileo, the end is turned inside out, like a turtle neck sweater, so what you see is actually the inside of your intestine). Losing battle to try to keep it clean....
I much prefer opaque bags....
Jellybean4688
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Posted 10/30/2011 3:48 PM (GMT 0)
Thank you! That makes me feel alot better. I am going to get a colored pouch so I do not have to look at the inside of the bag. I'm a little OCD so, keeping this thing clean and empty is a battle for me b/c I have now realized it is near impossible to keep it clean. I just ordered a cute pouch cover to help me with that.
Also, my stoma seems sore at times. Is this a normal occurrence too?
One more question.... Is it safe to eat pickles? I am craving them, and I have no appetite so I am wanting to eat whatever I can but I was unsure of the seeds and skin of the pickle.
Thanks!
blueglass
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Posted 10/30/2011 3:58 PM (GMT 0)
I think it's too early for pickles, because of the seeds and skin as you say, and possibly the fiber if they are crunchy..... could you kind of suck on one? Might not appeal, but might work..... you could also cut around seeds and skin, if it's a soft one.
For a few months before my surgery I was craving pickles too, as well as olives, was just crazy how much I wanted them..... since surgery, I haven't craved like that, but I do like them.....
Not sure what that craving is about
, but they are very salty, so if there's anything else salty you can eat or drink, that might help some..... the fermented aspect is good for digestion, w/probiotics and all, when you can tolerate it.
How is your stoma sore? Is it around the base or elsewhere? Around the base, you could be cutting the wafer too small, or else too big and having the output irritate there. If it's just bleeding a little here or there, that's normal -- the skin bleeds easily.
You are pretty soon out of surgery, so it also could just be sore from the swelling and the surgery itself.
Blueheron
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Posted 10/30/2011 4:01 PM (GMT 0)
I eat pickles all the time, though I didn't until 8 weeks post-op. I was really cautious until then as the small intestine can be swollen after surgery making it more prone to blockages. After 8 weeks, my surgeon said things would be back to normal and that I could introduce new foods slowly. The first time I tried a pickle I went with only half of a spear-style one. When that was fine, I started eating whole spears again. I do chew them really really well though. Haven't eaten any of the super huge pickles though, and I probably won't. Moderation seems to be the key with foods for me.
I would be cautious since you are so soon out of surgery. There is plenty of time to experiment later.
Jellybean4688
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Posted 10/30/2011 4:07 PM (GMT 0)
Ok, thanks. I kinda figured that was the case. I don't know why I'm craving them so badly! It's the actual stoma that seems sore ( I think ). Sometimes, it seems sore when it is active. It seems to have grown some since I've been home so, maybe the wafer is too tight?
Any other suggestions on some foods that are good for me to eat? I don't have a good appetite so, it's been hard for me to eat much and find things I will eat. What things are high in protein that are easy to eat?
Sorry, this is so new to me. I'm so scared of having complications that I have a million questions. :)
blueglass
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Posted 10/30/2011 7:15 PM (GMT 0)
Protein shakes can be good if you're not eating much or a supplement like ensure.
Some high protein foods that are low residue: yogurt, eggs, smooth peanut butter, white fish or chicken, cheese, cottage cheese, tofu
Keep making sure you're getting a lot of liquid and also salt. These aren't high protein, but it's also fine to eat crackers, rice, pasta, white bread, pretzels, applesauce, canned or cooked fruit, well cooked carrots or squash, potatoes (no skin), oatmeal. It's important to get calories
Million questions is appropriate..... it's a big deal, and you want to be cautious.... I was like that too.
Your stoma is going to be sore just from the surgery, but you do want to measure it every time before the pouch change (unless you're using moldables). It takes about
6 weeks for it to settle down in size. But if it's bothering you a lot, you should check in w/your stoma nurse.
Jellybean4688
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Posted 10/30/2011 7:33 PM (GMT 0)
Thanks for all the food tips! I'm freaking out a little right now. I went to change my bag, and when I lifted my shirt I had dried blood down my stomach, pus, & dried blood on part of my incision. I called the Dr on call. She said if it gets worse go to ER b/c she can't see it to tell me. I don't know what to do! It's upseting me. I really don't want problems.
blueglass
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Posted 10/30/2011 9:35 PM (GMT 0)
Jellybean, I'd suggest you take your temperature. If you have a fever over 101, definitely go to the ER.
Is the wound redder or hot to the touch? These are signs of infection, as is thick, smelly pus.
Of course, I am even less qualified to diagnose you than the person you talked to.
From the surgery I just had, I had an area that was clearly infected -- it was hot and red, and I had a low fever less than 100.... it
opened and drained and then was fine, did not get to a go to the ER level.
But some drainage is normal...
It's hard because it's Sunday, always worse when scary stuff happens on the weekend.
One thing to know is that you only want to wash the wound with water and maybe mild soap (or with saline if you have it) or with something the dr gave you -- no hydrogen peroxide, alcohol etc unless directed.
Here is some more info https://members.kaiserpermanente.org/kpweb/healthency.do?hwid=tc4128spec
Sorry I can't be more specific than this..... keep us posted....
Jellybean4688
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Posted 10/30/2011 10:39 PM (GMT 0)
Thanks for the info. It has dried completely, but now I can't stand as straight as I was able too. I'm scared it my
open if I try to straighten myself. I'm having a little trouble breathing. Although, it could be from being anxious over the bleeding. I checked my temp and so far have no fever.
blueglass
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Posted 10/30/2011 10:45 PM (GMT 0)
You might want to go to the ER just for peace of mind, although it's a drag to have to wait and wait there. Do you have someone with you? If not, that could be a good first step to call someone who you trust and feel good being around and have them come over and maybe go to the ER with you. This is hard to deal with by yourself.
You could also call the doctor again....
Thinking of you..... hang in.
blueglass
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Posted 10/31/2011 6:11 PM (GMT 0)
How are you doing today? Thinking of you.
Ironmum
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Posted 10/31/2011 6:28 PM (GMT 0)
Jellybean sounds a bit like you have an infection in the wound. Is it hot and red? may just need a course of antibiotics to sort it.. but dont' leave it. You wouldn't necessarily have a fever even if there is infection in the incision. How are you today ??
Blueheron
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Posted 10/31/2011 8:15 PM (GMT 0)
Hope you are doing okay today.
Fevers with wound infections seem hit or miss. I had a 101 degree fever with a tiny infection in my incision at one month post-op. I didn't even take antibiotics for it. My surgeon cleaned it out a little and the infection went away. Then two months post-op I got a fairly large abscess in my incision and surprisingly had no fever with that one at all. My surgeon did say that the skin was hot and very red with that infection, but honestly, I couldn't even tell. I think I had been looking at that non-healing incision for so long I had no idea what the heck it was supposed to look like. I just knew it hurt. Really bad pain seemed to be the constant for any of my wound infections. Does yours hurt a lot?
Good thing is, the infections are usually resolved well with cleaning out and/or antibiotics.
It is scary going through all this. There is so much uncertainty and it is overwhelming not knowing what is "normal" and what is something you should worry about
. It is always best to error on the side of caution and call your surgeon or go back in to have things checked out. When I kept having to go back to the hospital with complications, I did develop some short-term anxiety issues. Still, after a while I realized how amazing the doctors and nurses were. They were always able to solve the problems that came up and get me back on the road to recovery. I soon started to worry a lot less and just rolled with it... knowing that things would improve eventually. Now that I am a year out from surgery, I haven't had to see a doctor (other than a quick visit with my stoma nurse and my yearly physical) since March. Things do get much better. You sometimes just have to weather a few bumpy storms first.
Hang in there!
Jellybean4688
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Posted 10/31/2011 10:49 PM (GMT 0)
I haven't been able to write back until now b/c today has been rough. I feel like I have regressed in my progress. The home health nurse came by today. She said my incision needed to be looked at by a doctor. However, I could not get in touch with my Dr until 3pm! I go tomorrow at 9:30. But, the home health nurse helped me change my bag. It was a rough changing. I kept outputting so much it took us 30 min to clean and change everything. After she left I noticed I was leaking so, my dad and I worked together to re-change it. Another 30 min. My skin was on firer! Plus, while changing the bag with the home health nurse we noticed the incsion had
opened further down. It's covered by the stoma tape which makes me nervous, but there is no way around it. I am having increase stomach pains today not controlled by meds. I can barley walk to the bathroom. I'm so discouraged and scared. I don't want to be admitted back to the hospital. Also, I'm cramping really bad. My fingers and feet will lock in cramps. I don't know what to do!
run4pancakes
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Posted 10/31/2011 10:57 PM (GMT 0)
If things are that bad, it might be best to be in the hospital and have them looking after you. I know it's awful being in and nobody wants to go back, but sometimes it's the right thing for us.
The cramps sound like low electrolytes. Are you drinking plenty of electrolyte drink? I use G2 or Powerade Zero because I cant handle the full sugar versions.
Jellybean4688
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Posted 10/31/2011 11:03 PM (GMT 0)
I know...I'm just about
in tears thinking of going back to the hospital. I just can't handle much more. I'm going to try those drinks tonight. Thanks.
blueglass
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Posted 10/31/2011 11:07 PM (GMT 0)
I had to go back in the hospital for four days w/an abscess that I got a week after I got home. It's a really common complication. Definitely was a drag to go back in the hospital, but really it doesn't feel like a huge deal in the scheme of things w/my healing...
The electrolyte drink sounds like a good idea. Maybe some IV fluids tomorrow will help, amazing how much better they can make you feel.
If you can tolerate them, eating some marshmallows before changing the pouch will likely slow your output down.
Sorry you've had such a bad day. I'm glad you're getting medical help tomorrow, and I hope things are better soon. Keep us posted.
Blueheron
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Posted 10/31/2011 11:11 PM (GMT 0)
It is okay to be scared but try to stay calm. My incision
opened deeply around 10 days post-op. I was absolutely terrified. I kept crying and freaking out to my hubby and mom saying that I thought my guts were going to spill out. Drainage was flowing out of me like crazy. Somehow I survived the weekend and my surgeon was able to take a look at it early the next week. I did have to go back to surgery immediately to get it re-closed because it had
opened so deeply. It was a bit of a rough road for the next two months (it kept
opening and my surgeon finally deduced that I was having a rare reaction to the dissolvable sutures used deep in my abdomen... something he had never seen in 10+ years of doing surgery), but the point is that surgeons are experienced with wounds and they will help you out. Even if it takes them a while to figure out exactly what is causing the issues... they will fix it. You just have to have faith and take it day by day. Trust me, some day you will look back on this day from a point of good health. It will seem like a distant memory and you will be amazed at the strength you had to get through it.
And remember, if you get worse before getting in to see your surgeon, make sure to go to the hospital.
run4pancakes
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Posted 11/1/2011 1:47 AM (GMT 0)
I know what you mean about
wanting to cry at the thought of going back. I am running another low grade temp tonight and it is starting to concern me. I really don't want my husband to have to take more time off to take me to the hospital again. I don't want to be away from my kids again. Mostly, I just want to be well and I feel like I'm slowly moving backward. It's such a kick in the ass too because I felt so good the first couple of days out of the hospital.
Hang in there. I'm rooting for you.
Jellybean4688
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Posted 11/1/2011 2:30 AM (GMT 0)
I'm in the same position. I'm on the couch right now with bad stomach pains. I can barely walk to the bathroom. I hope you don't end up back in the hospital either. I'll say a prayer for u.
run4pancakes
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Posted 11/1/2011 3:09 AM (GMT 0)
Thanks, hon. Hopefully tomorrow is better for both of us.
Blueheron
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Posted 11/1/2011 3:21 AM (GMT 0)
Thinking of you both! Hope tomorrow comes soon so you can get some answers.
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