Venting, trying to be positive but really...................hating my ileostomy.

letthepeoplesing said...
Hi, I was just wanting to give you the name of an ostomy underwear company which is near me in Scotland. It was started by a woman with an ostomy and she couldn't find the right type of underwear so she designed her own. I realise the underwear might not be exactly what you're looking for but I'm sure she would be able to give you some tips on wearing clothes if you got in touch with her.
www.vblush.com. The company name is vanilla blush..

I would suggest some tips myself but I wear my bag outside my trousers so dont have the same problem..

Danny

Hi Danny, you're very kind. I did find her site. I.............appreciate your jumping into help as well. I do know how to work around wearing clothes with this. I'm a clothes horse clothes are my thing. I just can't wear the clothes I wore before this that I like. There are only so many things you can realistically do, so they're getting changed, it's just one of things that comes with this new territory.

I really appreciate your kindness. I hope you are doing well or okay. xoxo

letthepeoplesing said...
No problem. I know it wasn't much but sometimes it's nice to be nice. Those 1st 6 months are really frustrating so keep your chin up. I was so angry during my early days! I couldn't wait to have a reversal, get rid of that fu*@ing bag!! but as the months turned into a year, everything seemed to get better. its been nearly 4 years now since getting my ileostomy and I dont think i would choose a j pouch now.

keep the faith,

Danny.

I really appreciate you sharing your experience with me and your validation of frustration early out.

Strangely, after my initial surgery/surgeries, to get me here, I was incredibly relieved I finally had an "out" from my initial condition. I only had a couple "incidents" or "ah haaa moments" which were just minor frustrations......until a few days ago and then it all hit me ha ha...... which prompted my "vent" thread. :)

Working the loop ileo caught up to me and a few of you have expressed you've walked here too. I'm only human and wanted to express it, though intrisically knowing it will pass.

However, it's very comforting reading your words on what you experienced, that things seemed to calm down. And your timelines. I appreciate your specificity as well. I'm guessing..........as your bowel healed, your ileo behaviour changed?

Education, experiences, and some of you that choose to operate with this level of emotional intelligence and sensibility, are really good at validation saying hey, "been there done that" or "I've felt that way too for a while" without being judgmental or condescending. THANKYOU.

I so appreciate those of you like this who have contributed to my thread in such a way. Those of you that actually understand my language, and I'm incredibly grateful you're here.

Thankyou so much Danny for coming by. Keepin the faith. xoxo

Post Edited (Vancouver-Girl) : 1/27/2016 6:05:12 PM (GMT-7)

Silent Lucidity said...
Out of a matter of interest, what exactly makes you think Liz is traumatised?

She said that. Read her 2nd post. This is a copy and paste from her words.

Plout said: I saw a professional counselor when I was going through surgery because I had a lot of issues related to anxiety and medical trauma.

She needs to stick to helping and analyzing those with her issues, and belief system. That is not an unreasonable or unrealistic comment as she was projecting her issues on me.

The rest of your post is nonsense. I never said I was angry or needed to scream in a pillow. Good lord.

You're doing what she did.

You're another one projecting and making things up.

Those that operate at a higher level of intelligence coupled with emotional intelligence, understood my thread and didn't read into things or distort my words and meanings to suit themselves like some.

We had a nice polite, healthy, respectful exchange therefore.

Post Edited (Vancouver-Girl) : 1/28/2016 12:06:43 AM (GMT-7)

letthepeoplesing said...
I'm not exactly sure if my ileostomy changed it's behaviour as my bowel healed, I think a lot of it is down to learning it's behaviour. At first when changing my bag the output seemed completely random, I just couldn't work out why it was active at certain times, although an ileo is pretty much always active! These days I know when i can change my bag, and definitely the times not to change my bag. it's a massive change to our system and the learning curve is like a brick wall, slowly but surely things start to come together.

Danny.

Learning it's behaviour. That makes a lot of sense. That's what I'm learning..................because you're right. It's not random behaviour is it. Ileo's are active! You got that right. I can only change my bag in the morning. It's quiet BUT I got a couple of leaks coming through seal burning my skin and I needed a 3rd arm changing appliance at night OY! Food is a huge thing for me being in fitness because the BRAT diet doesn't work for body sculpting :( I've psyllium powder coming in mail, to try to slow transit for my fitness diet. Lot's of learning curves as you say. It's important for me to try to do things I did before this. I was sick a long time, like you, like many. Wow right..........looking at it. I can't dress the same LOL so I really don't want to lose fitness due to diet effect on ileostomy! Ya know? I hope further out that transit aspect will be easier in that it is slower. You are very kind Danny. Thankyou so much for coming by. xoxox

letthepeoplesing said...
Can I ask what types of food you would prefer eating? Going back to my early days I religiously followed the 'good', 'bad' food guide staying away from the foods you weren't supposed to eat. I got fed up with that quite quickly and very slowly started eating all the 'problem' foods again.
I eat anything I want now and I've always thought getting your output to a certain consistency is like pissing into the wind!!!
I couldnt even tell you what foods give me a thicker consistency and what foods give a more liquid consistency. I prefer eating the foods I enjoy and let my bag deal with the output.

I think what I'm trying to say is dont give up on your preferred foods just yet. If you think they may be a problem start them one food at a time, one bite at a time, And if you find you can eat them ok you can decide what's more important for you, food or consistency.

I agree with this 100%.

Vancouver-Girl said...
I've also read ends are done further down so less transit time? Is that right, did you tell me that?

I had a three step and the end ileo is a lot easier to deal with. it wouldn't solve your problem though, it's still a bag and you still have to deal with emptying, and the dirty feeling, if you feel that way. In reality, when you use the toilet with your anus, you might touch there, you probably never wore gloves... You wash your hands after. Do you use gloves to apply cream to your backside?? I did in the hospital, haha - at home I do not. I was a bit hand washing obsessed with my ileo so I get it, but in order to live with it, you have to get over it, or you don't - and in that case, move full-force and think about a future without it. When I had my loop, all I wanted, was it gone. It was extremely active and my blood pressure was low, I was dehydrated all the time. I really couldn't do anything physical, it was frustrating but instead of focusing on it, every time i got down, I thought to myself ONLY FIVE MORE WEEKS!!!

The end ileo, for me, was slower. The output was thicker. I didn't read this whole thread so I don't know what your exact story is, so far as where you are in this whole process, but if you're having a 2 step, you would have a loop and a short transit time since you wouldn't have the terminal ileum that was used to build the j-pouch. The end ileo, you have everything except the rectum and colon. The end ileo maintains the most of your GI tract, so in some ways, you should have the best possible outcome with that. I felt like over time my end ileo was absorbing lots of liquid, more so than my j-pouch currently does. Considering your level of cleanliness, i think you would still feel dirty with an end. I changed my pouch every day or two days, with both the end and the loop... I feel like I was more critical of the wafer/bag than I am of my underwear, I mean, undies have to be pretty nasty. Someone should make a wipe to clean in there once in a while. People are walking around with smears and poo particles... but the bottom line is, loose stools are bad news.

Sorry you're stressed. Vent away, but please keep it respectful. I think pluot was trying to be helpful but I can understand not wanting to be told you have a mental condition.

i think by most definitions, one would assume if you hate, anger is along for the ride -

to me, anger is short lived, where as hatred is deeply imbedded - maybe sematics ?

either way, i hope things turn around for you -

good luck moving forward

notsosicklygirl said...

Vancouver-Girl said...
I've also read ends are done further down so less transit time? Is that right, did you tell me that?

Sorry you're stressed. Vent away, but please keep it respectful. I think pluot was trying to be helpful but I can understand not wanting to be told you have a mental condition.

THANKYOU. I really appreciate you understanding specifically what set me off. You and 1 other are the only people that acknowledged that. It was more than once (both posts) and I got fed up. ( I should have handled it better yes.)

I don't come onto to people like I know what is best for them. I can't possibly. I'm not them. Other than her 1 sentence "I think there are a lot of valid reasons to be frustrated with a loop ileostomy (mine was no picnic to manage either)" I really did find the post condescending with too much judgement. Not to mention she misunderstood how "I" was. (I honestly find it disrespectful coming on to people the way she did with me.)I guess it just her way.

In my posts when I help others I actually say "if I'm offbase" or "redundant" or "misreading what you said", forgive me. I acknowledge, I could be wrong where they're coming from.......... Because I don't want to offend them.

The loop temporarily thinned my skin............... :) Not for long! :) I'll get it!

You know, I think I'm more disappointed with the "as Danny put it" the behaviour of the Loop Ileo. I.............yes, it's a learning curve.

Plenty of people (thankgoodness) have now validated, the beginning was overwhelming or acknowledged it was hard work until they wrapped their head around it and more. Well, if they can do it, I can do it LOL.

Their validation without judgment, was really supportive.

Okay, your end was easier. Okay. And yes, the bag is still there, I get it. It's amazing I'm reading you say it was much easier from an angle though. If my reversal doesn't work, I'll opt for that then. (My reversal is a crapshoot, that's the only reason I say that.)

You asked if I would wear gloves putting creme on my backside. That depends on the variables. Am I clean out of the shower and specifially what area am I going to. haha

I will say this, I keep forgetting I'm trying the reversal so focus on that. So that's good advice you gave. I will say, I'm not mentally negatively impacted the way some think, or focused all day from that aspect on my stoma. It's not a ruminating thing. Some things however, I have to get used to that have frustrated me but ONLY when they happened. Make sense? Learning curve.

You really wanted your loop gone I'm reading. Well, at least you're validating it can be work. Thankyou. And thanks for not reading into my words. 5 weeks. Lucky duck! I have to wait ...............6-12 mos, BUT there is a chance there. People reading might be saying, "I could be so lucky" and I have to remember that.

The end maintains more of your GI tract you said. And thicker output and slower transit. I'm reading your words on another browser. Responding that way LOL. I think if my reversal doesn't work this will work better for me. THANKYOU for educating me and for clarifications.

I love how you said this..........YOU:>I feel like I was more critical of the wafer/bag than I am of my underwear, turn I mean, undies have to be pretty nasty. Someone should make a wipe to clean in there once in a while. People are walking around with smears and poo particles... but the bottom line is, loose stools are bad news.

You're funny ha ha ha. Thankyou so much. I'm not a J-Pouch candidate. I will explain my deal. SORRY it's so long.....................

Okay here's my deal. I have rectal intussusception and anismus, psuedo obstruction. My rectal muscles fold collapse in on themselves. And my muscles when I squeeze, shut the area more. Psuedo obstruction. Part of the small bowel likes to rest on my rectum. If the rectum muscle was strong, my small bowel would not collapse and close that retal area, but it's weak therefore, it does.

My surgeon is hoping my healthy diet of protein etc, will strengthen my rectum muscles. He says it's possible. Maybe is stressed though. Realistic, therefore I am. SO after what I've gone through and 3 surgeries, we're giving the muscles a rest PLUS he said retraining an area, that is now constantly moving things out. Make sense? He said it may work. But may. He said proper food now that I can eat, may strengthen it. I was sick 3.5 years unable to get things out so couldn't eat, I mean I got sick. No one, believed me and wouldn't give me a function test. I had to write an impact letter to a top surgeon finally being my own advocate, he rushed me through the system and has really being trying to help me. I went through med abuse. Many of us do. SO I'm grateful for him.

I'd moved back to Canada after living abroad when I got sick. No one knew me here, not one doc, so they were treating me like I was doing this to myself. Like I didn't have anything physiological going on. I saw a dozen docs and not one would give me a function test. They all stuck with colonoscopy and things I knew would not show anything. Xray, and all the rest. I say function test they get mad. I brought in pics of me healthy, fit, well dressed all of it, still couldn't get through to them.

(That is probably why I went off on Pluot too. I was assigned psyche suggestion through my ordeal by the stupid docs before my surgeon, because no doc would give me a function test so I could get healthy. Acting like, I just decided to stop eating. It was really really bad. That's when I was angry, LOL plus sick.)

**The other one above this keeps telling me I'm angry now and I'm not angry. For what? I got medical help finally. It's just the same thing PLUOT did. Assigning things that aren't true. Yes, I can be sarcastic but who needs it? Now another one is using sarcasm like I do saying I've got deeply embedded hatred because of my thread title. know they're just "poking me" and faulting me from loyality to each other.

But being respectful is a 2 way street. It's like they have enabled each other but have still not even acknowledged what you did, in order to qualify me the bad guy. That's not very honest.( Now a 3rd, NiceCupofTea is insulting me saying I have mental issues.) All because I defended myself.

And now it's a pack animal gang mentality. First time I've come across this. This is like the LA riots.**

Anyhoooo.................continuing:>

I was so sick and emaciated and using enemas and laxatives to move things out, I would finally stop eating because those were so so hard on me. I mean they hardly worked. I couldn't work, I finally lived on couch sick. My mother did my shopping etc

It got so bad, I had lay a certain way to get feces out. I had to tape a garbage bag to my waist, lay on my couch after high dosing laxatives and get it out that way. It would only travel out of my body, with me horizontal So my bum was on couch, bag tape and resting on floor, and knees bent with feet on floor. BUT back and abdomen horizontal on couch. I ate so little a few times a week and it would take 48 straight hours for 1 movement to come out. I couldn't go through it all the time so had no choice but to not eat.

Turns out my colon was twice the length and part of is was literally flaccid, (which is why the only way it would come out was me horizontal.That was the only way it could stay open enough for some reason), and all markers got stuck on 1 side from my function test. So a colectomy was first. I may not be in an ileo had I been tended to in a timely fashion. Many I know, share my story.9 mos after colectomy that wasn't working, not going still so unable to eat, and then a pain started, and I checked myself into ER at my surgeons because I still couldn't go. We did all the imaging, nothing showed up. He said "ileo", then Nov 27th/2015 he opened me and found adhesions and twisted small bowel. First time he saw what happend inside of me so extreme. We got our answers why my colectomy was so so bad and hadn't worked.. He said this must have started right out of the gate of colectomy Feb/2015. We hoped fixing the small bowel would prevent ileo but it didn't. I still had problems. Dec 15/2015 loop ileo. So he gave me a 2nd surgery, loop ileo and now 'we're seeing' how my muscles strengthen and area gets to rest.

I was in hospital from Nov 23rd to Dec 23rd. But my team was so so respectful. It actually went by fast. I was still super sick and checked in at 89 pounds. Now a month and 10 days or so later, I'm my usual 115. :)I looked like a holocaust victom a lot of the time it was that bad. Hard to believe, docs sent me home in that shape with no function test. I was dying of starvation. I was so so hungry all the time. If you can't get it out, you can put it in. Hard to believe. And I'm not embellishing.

Thanks for reading. That is my deal and why I landed here. They say it's progressed from a child in that, I had bad constipation growing up, back and forth. Then it started to progress again. I thought my bowel habits were normal LOL. I didn't know I had a form of IBS.

I really appreciate you. Thankyou, so so very much. I think I know how and where to proceed forth.......................xoxoxxox


You know Notsosicklygirl, it FLOORS me how many with UC, or function problems like myself, all of it, get ignored and made more sick, because these docs don't refer, or believe the patient, or have a clue. I mean...................I've heard so so many stories like mine it's unreal. We know what is going on, what tests we need, but our doctors don't.

Post Edited (Vancouver-Girl) : 1/28/2016 8:32:22 PM (GMT-7)

Oh trust me, I know about people not believing your symptoms. My GI didn't understand how I was having symptoms. They look at blood work and markers and say "you're fine". I was never fine. It's very frustrating.

Thanks for sharing your story. Now I understand more why Liz's post upset you. You've really been through the ringer, in the defense of the doctors, it's probably not a very common condition - of course that is no excuse for not doing everything to try to get to the bottom of it! Sometimes I feel like these doctors think everyone is very similar and they try to discount anyone who doesn't fit into the healthy person mold to get them off their back.

What you were dealing with sounds worlds worse than the ileo, even the loop. I shouldn't have said you wouldn't like the end. Actually, if I had my loop and people asked me whether I liked my ileo, I would have said NO. With the end, if you asked me the same question, I would have said I don't mind it. The loop for me was just too much work, constant changing, emptying. My life with the end was normal. I was able to work out and play tennis. I didn't have mishaps like I did with the loop. The output from my loop was really thin and it was difficult to empty without problems. I hated my loop. Maybe you can simplify your process if you find products that work better for you? I would just toss the whole pouch sometimes instead of emptying. I'd drop it in a ziplock and dispose, that would be one less empty. I'd do that a lot in the AM if I were going to work or something - snap it off, wipe around the wafer, snap a clean one on. Actually, with the loop, I couldn't really do that because it could run liquid at any moment. It really pushed me to the end of my patience. lol, I wrote about it here: www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=38&m=3569886&p=2

I hope you can get reconnected. Are you doing kegels? My surgeon said they can really help to strengthen things. I sit around clenching and unclenching :)

notsosicklygirl said...
Oh trust me, I know about people not believing your symptoms. My GI didn't understand how I was having symptoms. They look at blood work and markers and say "you're fine". I was never fine. It's very frustrating.

Thanks for sharing your story. Now I understand more why Liz's post upset you. You've really been through the ringer, in the defense of the doctors, it's probably not a very common condition - of course that is no excuse for not doing everything to try to get to the bottom of it! Sometimes I feel like these doctors think everyone is very similar and they try to discount anyone who doesn't fit into the healthy person mold to get them off their back.

What you were dealing with sounds worlds worse than the ileo, even the loop. I shouldn't have said you wouldn't like the end. Actually, if I had my loop and people asked me whether I liked my ileo, I would have said NO. With the end, if you asked me the same question, I would have said I don't mind it. The loop for me was just too much work, constant changing, emptying. My life with the end was normal. I was able to work out and play tennis. I didn't have mishaps like I did with the loop. The output from my loop was really thin and it was difficult to empty without problems. I hated my loop. Maybe you can simplify your process if you find products that work better for you? I would just toss the whole pouch sometimes instead of emptying. I'd drop it in a ziplock and dispose, that would be one less empty. I'd do that a lot in the AM if I were going to work or something - snap it off, wipe around the wafer, snap a clean one on. Actually, with the loop, I couldn't really do that because it could run liquid at any moment. It really pushed me to the end of my patience. lol, I wrote about it here: www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=38&m=3569886&p=2

I hope you can get reconnected. Are you doing kegels? My surgeon said they can really help to strengthen things. I sit around clenching and unclenching :)

Wow, you ran into problems with an actual GI too being told you were fine and you weren't. There's so many people that share this type of experience.

I agree as well, you saying, it's not a common condition but there is no excuse not to help. YOU SAID:> Sometimes I feel like these doctors think everyone is very similar and they try to discount anyone who doesn't fit into the healthy person mold to get them off their back.

ME:>I could not agree more. That is what I experienced through them. Their side felt really....................arrogant. A few seemed downright misogynistic. One of the specialists, and I was new in this, I didn't know not to see a reg surgeon, I hadn't seen a GI yet, he had a visible tantrum in his office 2nd visit. My mother watced him too. He kept saying "you don't come close to needing a colectomy or any of that." Without even testing me. "If you won't get me a function test, how do I proceed?" Asking him how to proceed, infuriated him.

You're right in saying what I was dealing with was worse than the loop or end ileo. It feels right now though, a fraction less time consuming though. Hopefully that will change. I hope no one reads into that. I'm not suggesting these are all not bad deals regardless.

Interesting you said you'd say you would have said no you don't like your loop but you don't mind the end. First, I wish you hadn't had to go through this type of thing. I feel okay now saying, since you did, I'm so grateful you are here having had both. You found the loop a lot of work like I am experiencing. Those of you that have said with no judgement, I'm grateful for as well. THANKYOU. I have to be careful emptying for the 'same" reason you stated. It's consistency. Gloves keep it off my fingers or they'd be covered LOL.

As far as products, I've ordered bags and flanges from Conva Tech and Coloplast, to compare with my Hollister the hospital sent me home in. Today is day#2 with the mouldable flange from Conva Tech. I think, it's more durable, even though I have to cut it to shape. It feels more sticky adhesive wise, and it seems go sticking better to body, and Eakin Ring. I don't like the bag as the tail is long and troublesome emptying. BUT, once emptied and back up, the whole appliance feels sturdier than my Hollister. So, I'm trying those to compare once they are all in.

You played tennis and worked out easier with end. Great for you. Awesome. :) You're speakin my language though I suck at tennis LOL. Fun to watch though. Gosh, you could take your bag off to toss it with the end. I wish I could do that too. I had to change the bag only twice, due to a leak on top, and then once the bag got too dirty from an empty. Both bag changes were during the super "active" part of my day but I managed it quickly. Boy I was .................I need a third arm.

I want to say, you are really kind. I so appreciate the validation. I think that was all I needed. To know, those of you who kindly shared experiences and those with the loop experiences, sharing without judgment, I really really appreciate. A lot. xoxxoxox

I'm reading your thread now. Be right back. That'll be the edit LOL

Oh first, I can get reconnected 6 mos to a year BUT it's a bit of a crap shoot if it will work.Alot,stems on my rectal muscles strengthening so they stop collapsing.I really hope my high protein diet and the healing time work. I haven't done kegels. I have to look it up to do it the right way. GREAT idea. I'm going to try them.

** Oh my gosh YOU GET IT. I mean, reading your thread, it was like reading part of some of my posts. With your ileo, the bag always filling, so having to change your top style.You're petite like me I'm reading too. Billowy tops but trying to look good. You're always emptying. I mean.............THANKYOU so much. Changing appliance more, skin problems from the leaks under rings. I read you said you had to buy more products with the loop.Really? You mean with the end it's a different set up?

I'm so incredibly grateful. I don't feel like the "odd man out" at all after talking to you, and reading your thread. Plus, I really like the way you.........talk to people. You see all sides. And explain yourself really well. And you don't offend. I'm glad you're here. I really appreciate the time, you've spent with me.

Oh, I want to ask you this. #1 Did you get really hungry with the ileo? I don't act on it overeating, but feel famished quickly a lot after eating. Plus #2, did you eat small meals a lot through the day or reg size meals at the reg times?

Most sincerely,
VG xo

Post Edited (Vancouver-Girl) : 1/29/2016 6:23:42 PM (GMT-7)

MeByTheSea said...

No one should be made to feel inferior, intellectually or emotionally for making a suggestion on this forum.

I couldn't agree more.

And don't post suggestions to intentionally make members feel inferior, intellectually, or emotionally as well.

Taking a persons post completely of context, and Pluot basing "go see a professional", from me saying "I don't feel clean" due to some processes with my loop was said to intentionally make me feel, inferior emotionally....

.... and 2 other people have now shared they felt unclean, and they certainly don't need to see a professional.

(** There are plenty of people outside of the 3 of us, that feel/felt that way. As an adult, I'll adjust. Nothing strange expressing that. Not everyone posts on forums but they read. They're now validated "nothing unusual about feeling that way new to ostomies, it's a learning curve, people adjust.")

Point being, they know they're not alone, they're not crazy, which is what forums are about.

Then your friend said it's not necessary to clean my bathroom more than once a week.

Another member has now said she cleans hers twice a week. I do mine 2-3. She certainly doesn't need to "see a professional." But again, it was implied I'm nuts due to doing it more than once a week.

And that was twisted on your glove thread into "she cleans the bathroom every time she empties." Who would do that?

As well as implying I am not healthy minded, wearing gloves to empty a bag with a LOOP ileo and more water consistency that I simply do not want on fingers and hands.

I empty my bag a lot, I love cooking and all the rest. I simply refuse to have feces I can see on my gloves, on my bare fingers, hands, hourly or every other hour when I empty, just to wash my hands and start kneading my meatloaf to prepare it.

I call that good hygiene but I'm insulted for it. More implications are made about mental issues.

There were inferences made by your friend that were said to make me feel inferior.

There is a lot of 1 sided reasoning from some of you based purely on friendship.

Respect is a 2 way street.

Maybe your friend will be more respectful now on other people's threads without making durogatory suggestions based on misinterpretation of what was posted.

I think it's time to let this thread die and this put to rest.

There's some beautiful members on this forum. I'll stick with them.

This is how I started my vent thread post. Copy paste:>

I just need to vent. I really like this forum. I've found y'all
informative, so supportive. I............just very respectfully
ask you not to tell me how to feel. I just need to vent.

ME:>I am respectful..........as I said respect is a 2 way street and I was not spoken to respectfully by your friend.

I didn't jump on anyone that posted they didn't wear gloves. Respectful. I never called anyone dirty. Respectful. I never criticized anyone's cleaning habits. Respectful. But I was not given that same respect. I was jumped on and criticized.....

.........and right from the get go from my bag emptying, wearing gloves doing it while even my stoma nurses said "some do some don't", to my cleaning habits which were twisted by some members as listed above. I defended my integrity from a duragotory "suggestion" written to make me feel "inferior" from a member who misinterpreted and decidedly read into my post.

Post Edited (Vancouver-Girl) : 1/31/2016 7:42:51 AM (GMT-7)

MeByTheSea said...
Vancouver-Girl , Sorry but I am not friends with Pluot. I am fairly new here and know her even less than I know you. I have posted on your thread in the past but I don't think I have ever posted on one of hers nor has she posted on mine. My comment on making people feel inferior was based on your words

"Those that operate at a higher level of intelligence coupled with emotional intelligence, understood my thread ...."

Yes I know, and again, that is exactly what Pluot did in her post to me which is why I got hauty. "Making people feel inferior, based on her words."

She did just that, a few others did that from following her lead misinterpreting my words of what and how I do things.

Go scold her. Scold them. Acknowledge their part in it.

1 sided reasoning doesn't acknowledge all the negative, ridiculous and insulting implications made about me INITIALLY that I listed above, that finally fueled that and other comments I made.

I defended myself through words, exactly like they did.