Using Trimix

Rob, welcome. 

 I have been down that road with the Caverject.  My first dose was 10mg and resulted in a 4 hr. erection that needed Sudafed to reduce.  Nice to have a stiffy, but the aching and pain steadily increasing during the experience offset any pleasure.  I tried 10 more times with Caverject, both the premixed and the powder, with failures each time.  I never did get the same results as far as erect as the first time, and the pain and aching stayed at each of the varied dose levels that I tried.  I never did try more than 10mg, fearing the pripriasm again.  I finally gave up on it.  I used 30ga. 1/2 inch needles and injected at a slight down ward angle at the 2 and 10 oclock positions, keeping back away from the head and not getting really close to the base of the penis and the body.  I tried 5/16 inch needles, along with the 1/2 inch .  The 1/2 inch seemed to be too long, as I hit the center divider barrier a couple times and had to pull back on the syringe a little to get the injection plunger in.  My instructions was to lightly massage the penis to spread the dose through out both sides.  I am now struggling with the same issue using Bimix, and suspect I will have the same lack of erection results that I had with Caverject, without the aching or pain.  I don't know your situation as far as veinous valve action working properly, thats the valve that holds the blood in the penis during and erection.  It appears mine are not working now, and either allows the injected medicine to leak out of the penis into the body, or the medicine doesn't trigger the valves to close to keep the penis erect.  I haven't figured which is happening with me yet.  Have you used a pump yet?  I found the valves didn't work by using one without the rings and seeing the blood flow right back out of the penis, losing any erection I had gained with the pump.  This may be what is happening in your case with the Caverject.  If my theory is correct, then I and maybe you will continue to have injection failures until we have healed to the point the valves start working.  This is ONLY a theory on my part, so others may have other ideas about it.  Swimom is an advanced study on this subject...

ZAman, I don't see where anyone addrssed your question, so I'll try.

You said "If anyone has a pharmacy name and number, and perhaps the name of a pharmacist I can talk to there who can supply me with the tri or bimix that would be just so, so wonderful! Also, order numbers on the insulin needles and suppliers would just make a big difference too."

We just completed a short list of the current pharmacies that our members are using for Bimix and Trimix.  Seems like half or more use Franck's in Florida.  I do.  They require a faxed prescription from your doctor, make sure it is signed.  The prescription normally will include a number of syringes also.  Calling the number will connect you with one of the service reps, and probably they can get you in contact with one of their pharmacists.  Any of the paharmacies should be able to let you speak to a pharmacist familiar with these drugs. 

Here's the HW Thread link:

https://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=35&m=1017774

 

I don't know why it (Caverject) doesn't work in some patients, or why it does at times and doesn't at others.  It is used by people like us, and diabetics, spinal cord injury guys and lots of other conditions or diseases.  It's a purely chemical action in the penis, so should be predictible with each use, but for some reason varies.  Maybe it's placement, maybe its the bodies needing different strengths at different times.  I don't know, but it seems to me it should work, even if you have had fat , stress, constipation or caffeine or such other things to affect it.  If it can give an erection to a para or quad spinal cord injured guy , seems like it should for us. What the varient is I don't have a clue...

Are you using the Caverject Impulse dial in system, or the regular syringes and meds drawn from a vial?  Whats the strength of it?  (mcg) on the vial or cylinder?. 

What do you mean you went from 2.5 to 22.5?  Do you mean 2.5mL to 22.5mL.  If using a insulin syringe, what is the cc or unit reading for the 2.5 or 22.5 that you used?  For that matter what size syringe are you using 50 unit/cc, 100 unit/cc?

How old is the medicine and what form is it, reconstituted powder, premixed liquid or the Impulse system?  any dates on it?

This info is needed to figure what you have and what you should be doing to make it work...

Ok, first thing, email me, using the mail folder below my name on the left side of the screen. 

So you used a total of just over 22 mcg (2 x 10mcg, plus a little more at 2 1/2 mcg.).  The Caverject Impulse holds 20 mcg total of liquid, so you got the equivelent of a full Impulse syringe.  That amount over 3 injections seems high, but maybe you need more than most people do.  I'd recommend you call your Doc and tell him the details of your failures.  I am guessing he instructed you in the office how to inject and did maybe one in office trial to see what the response was?

In the meantime Email me soon, ok?

Hey Zaman,

Sorry you are having problems with Caverject. I second James's suggestion that you take your info to your doc and get things straightened out...

Hey Rob,

I have 100% success with Trimix and Viagra. I take the 50 - 100 mg of Viagra with 1000 - 1500 mg of L-Arginine a couple of hours before injecting .02 - .04 ml of Trimix. It takes some stimulation after the shot to reach a full erection. I could take more Trimix and it would come up by itself but I get pain if I use more than .05 ml. Plus I believe that less is better when it comes to injection that tender part of my anatomy. I've never used anything except Trimix so can't comment on Caverject.

My doc started me on .10 ml of Trimix. It came up rock hard and very painful so I kept cutting down the dose until it works very much like a natural erection now. Like everything else with this disease, we are all different and have to experiment and find our own way on this journey. I believe that it is up to us to research and ask doctors what the dangers are with the meds they prescribe. Then we have to find our own way within those parameters. Docs only know what they are told to prescribe for certain situations with ED. They have (in general) no personal experience with these meds.

Good luck and if you want to email me my address is under the envelope on the left side of this post...

Jim

PS My Trimix is phentolamine, papave and prostaglandin.  I don't know what the amounts are.

 hi;

 I am new to this forum chats.  My husband had lap prostatectomy in 05 and radiation post surgery.(nov 05) Had some leaking problems in the begining but resolved well. All though prior to surgery he had some episodes of ED he did in general OK. Post surgery and radiation erections where gone, "0", took 50-100 mg viagra daily for 6-8 month with no  change. Incorporated  vacum + viagra   but not enough, he would also do daily excersice with vacum to prevent atrophy and cord shortening but had to stop because increased urine incontinence speacially at night. Also tried  trimex  (maybe 6,7 times with diferent doses 0.10-0.30)but had many painful prolonged erection epiisodes (4or more hr long)and it never got hard enough so he does not want injections. Wont try anymore. On top of this end of 06 noticed his penus curved to one  side and streching with vacum was very painful (hope this did not hapen due to injections). After seeing the urologist with time it got better and was able to tolerated to try vacum and intercourse,but by than his penus shrunk to 1/4 original size (it's all inward). I have noticed lately he feels like a mini erection (with 100 viagra- sildenafid and a lot stimulation) but its maybe 1/3 out and rest inward-can feel it in the scrotum, the cord  has become so short it won't let it strech outward!   I have been looking in Intranet diferent websites but can't find  result for this particular cord shortening problem witch I belive if elongated would let him have a more normal size erection and have less problems peing and recovering at least mild erection etc.he's now 56 y/o  

* have any of you experienced this?, any ideas procedures to elongate cord ?web articles???, were can he buy "soft foam sleeve like over penus to hold erection "mentioned prior by PCmentor?

thank you.

The user that injected with no response---see your docter. You must inject at 3 or 9 oclock. You mentioned the top  NEVER there as you will damage nerves. There are several diagrams that show the area. Try caverject.com. A .2ml injection should give a response.

I have been using Trimix for a couple of months now with pretty good success. However, I am having a lot of pain when injecting the right side of my penis. When injecting into the left side there is never any pain at all. I have had some misses on the right side where it didn't work. However, I have pretty much prefect success on the left side. The location on the left side has been never been a concern. No matter where I inject on the left, it's painless and works every time. location is not critical in this case. Why is the right side such a problem? And it isn't the stab that hurts but rather the injection.

I am curious if anyone else has had similar problems. What could I be doing differently or what could be physically different between each side. Syringes are BD 30 guage, 1/2 inch long. I use an BD auto injector for near painless stabs.

Thanks,

Ed

No, it isn't an aching pain. This is a burning pain that I feel as soon as the injection is started. So it has nothing to do with the dosage and as I mentioned, I have no pain on the left side.

I'm a newbie to the forum. Haven't had prostate cancer, just the usual E.D. from old age,
combined with yrs. of smoking. I'm 73 & haven't smoked for 21 yrs. now. I've tried the 100mg
Viagra for 2 years with minimal results. Obtained erection at 1st, then experienced veinous
leakage upon penetration. I have a new girlfriend (51) that requires vaginal sex, so a trip to the
uro was in order. I received the Trimix at the office (.3mg) and the uro & I were fairly satified
with the results. Hoping all along this solved the venous leakage, I was ready & rarin', but to play it safe, waited 2 days for the 1st experiment. Took a 25mg Viagra 1 hr. before injection.
(been reading testimonials & got this idea) then did my injection at .3mg. To my surprise, no
pain whatsoever. Piece-o-cake! Whew ! Glad that was over! Talk about apprehension! Lost
sleep the night before by just anticipating. Anyway... H-hour was upon us, and as I started penetration, it was 75% sucessful, then venous leakage again! My woman is patient, and is working with me to solve this predicament. I'm convinced it's not a mental thing. So next time, I'm going to try the pump, and inflate the penis before injection. also am going to increase the Trimix to .4mg., along with 50 mg Viagra. I'll post the results at a future date.

You're probably right, James. I may sound alittle impatient, and haste makes waste.
Thanks for clueing me in on the greater absorption thing. It's this technique that impresses me,
and instead of the .4mg Trimix, I'll go ahead & do the .3 like my Doc started me off with. THEN,
if that's not sufficient, I'll bump it up to .35 etc. etc. So.... on your advice & obvious experience, I'll stick with the 25mg Viagra & move up if need be in the future. I'm aware that with venous leakage, it's just a matter of hitting the right combination to get those veins to shut down. Then I'll be home free. Will keep you posted on future progress, if any. (and anyone else watching)
Firerock