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Posted 8/8/2010 5:05 PM (GMT 0)
I have been doing some reading concerning the association between consumption of dairy products and prostate cancer.  There seems to be a suggested association between consumption of low-fat milk and dairy products and prostate cancer, but maybe not between whole-milk dairy products and prostate cancer.  This is the opposite of what I would have expected.   Has anyone done research on this or received knowldedgeable medical advice about it?

I am posing one article here.  There are others easily accessible.

http://www.articlesbase.com/mens-health-articles/lowfat-dairy-products-may-increase-risk-of-prostate-cancer-1863741.html

I suppose one answer would be "don't eat much or any dairy at all."   And that is pretty much what I do.  But there are countervailing considerations:  (1) it tastes good (life without pizza??), and (2) dairy apparently is protective against colon cancer. 

 

Posted 8/9/2010 12:54 AM (GMT 0)
I read it the other way around once. That ,counterintuitively, it is no fat milk that is the culprit, thr others are ok. Go figure
Posted 8/9/2010 1:27 AM (GMT 0)
The synopisis was really poorly written in my opinion. There seemed to contrdictory statements, and more than once it was stated that there did not appear to be a correllation.

In today's chemical laden foods, drinking water, air, household products, etc, it seem as tho it is a real tough job to sort out which chemicals are causing certain maladies. Add on self inflicted things such as smoking, drinking, coffee, pop, etc., and we could study til the cows come home and have a hard time finding corellations.

I would say that a majority of men like a glass of coldmilk and some ice cream. 1 out of 6 men get prostate cancer, so is it in the milk ?

I can drive myself crazy trying to figure out why I was one of the 6. Even if there was a link to milk and dairy products, I would probably not stop, like so many smokers and drinkers do. It won't be me.

Now that I don't have a prostate, I don't really care. I am trying to get my 15 years in and have a good QOL, and that includes cold milk and some icecream, and some cheese.
Posted 8/9/2010 1:47 AM (GMT 0)
sounds like a plan there, goodlife. one can go crazy trying to find a root cause to a particular cancer, and in most cases, no way of proving or disproving.
Posted 8/9/2010 3:39 AM (GMT 0)
Medved,
Pick up a copy of "The China Study" by Cambel. He did a lot of research into the affects of casian??, which is in cow protien and dairy and it's affect on tumor growth. It wasn't prostate cancer specific, but the addition of cow protien vs plant protien into mice induced very rapid tumor growth. The research data is very compelling.
Cambel is convinced that cow protien or casian?? is the major cause of tumor growth in most cancers. He was originally a researcher for the dairy industry when he discovered this.
JT
Posted 8/9/2010 12:27 PM (GMT 0)
As I've said before, there is no one size fits all solution to avoiding prostate or any other cancer.
We know there are certain lifestyles that can increase one's risk of a cancer - cigarette smoking and lung cancer come to mind. Yet, 20 to 30% of all lung cancers have no known causes (e.g., 20 to 30% of those diagnosed with lung cancer never smoked or were exposed to smoke).

Cow protein may contribute to more aggressive growth in some cancers, yet it is encouraged to avoid colon cancer which, according to our gastro, is the second leading cause of cancer deaths in the U.S. So, you avoid cow products to avoid one type of cancer and you risk another type. I wonder if the real culprit with dairy and meat products is all the hormones and other crap that are fed to farm animals. Anyone else notice how "developed" young girls are these days and how so many young women (women in their 20s and 30s) are being diagnosed with breast cancer? I believe the growth hormones and steroids fed to our chickens and cows are the real culprits.

Plant protein - assume this includes soy protein - has merit but it too can cause problems with certain types of cancer especially in women.

While I respect each person's dietary choices, I am not a proponent of giving up any particular food group unless there is a overwhelming medical reason to do so (such as diabetes or cardiovascular disease). As with everything else, common sense should prevail.
Posted 8/9/2010 1:09 PM (GMT 0)
I'm way more concerned about getting killed driving to and from work them I am about dairy products or any products we eat for that matter.

I do believe in the old-> an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure...But then you have to start getting into QUALITY of life versus Quanity of life. 

In other words - I'm going to continue drinking my large 2% glass of milk with super - thank you very much.

Posted 8/9/2010 1:53 PM (GMT 0)
Has anyone looked at the budwig diet? I am still new to the forum so have not explored enough to know if that option has already been talked about but it is worth looking at.
Posted 8/9/2010 2:30 PM (GMT 0)
Is that bud as in budweiser ?
Posted 8/9/2010 2:38 PM (GMT 0)
yes it is ..here is the website.

http://www.cancure.org/budwig_diet.htm
Posted 8/9/2010 9:37 PM (GMT 0)
Would recommend anyone going the Budwig diet to carefully research Flax Seed Oil and Prostate Cancer and draw your own conclusions.
Posted 8/10/2010 11:12 AM (GMT 0)
It was my understanding that it was the animal fat in dairy products that was the culprit, same as the red meat they don't want you to eat too much of. I use to eat a couple half gallons of bryers a week. But since surgery have not had any dairy, but do drink soy milk on cereal, radiation Onc. I saw a few weeks ago said drink all the soy milk I wanted. While on vacation this summer I found soy ice cream and now I have a soy milk/soy ice cream milk shake a few times a week. Can't tell the difference in the real stuff, especially the chocolate milk shakes. I think as in any disease, it affects some and some it doesn't. Just like smoking, some people smoke all their life and never get lung cancer, some people never smoke and get it. I guess I am different than some, never thought of not drinking milk or eating ice cream was what they were talking about when they meant quality of life, a full time catheter yes, but not ice cream. Which is why my hear, prayers and awe goes out to purgatory and his journey. Makes doing without some food trivial.
Posted 8/10/2010 3:51 PM (GMT 0)
Thank you, Montee. For most of us, in our PC journeys, we have our own variety of daily battles and sacrifices along the trek. I have never been a lover of dairy products. I never liked milk as a kid, so I don't use it at all as an adult. Rarely do I eat ice cream, and even cheese its hit and miss with me. No yogurt, sour cream, creme cheese, etc for this guy. So what is a loss for one, means nothing to me. I have said all along, it eating sugar 100% was proven to feed or encourage cancer, I would be totally screwed, lol. At this point in my life, I plan to eat what I feel like, but in moderation. Long gone, are the days of eating at Buffets and other All-You-Can-Eat places. I could almost get sick when I think of the utter gluttony I have seen as such places.
Goes back to doing what we think is right for ourselves.

David

P.S I still would like to see how they milky soy beans, but thats a whole udder subject
Posted 8/11/2010 4:54 PM (GMT 0)
Watching Snuffy's videos lately. Concerning what not to eat. He lists corn fed beef as a big no no. He goes on to tell it's the corn that the beef are fed that is causing the trouble. From memory hope it's accurate... People get along better when their omega 3 (good) and omega 6 (bod) fatty acids are more or less balanced. I also read 1:1 to 4:1 is good. I think that's a 4:1 bad to good. So that's awesome, so what? Well it appears that corn has a 45:1 ratio! Paraphrasing Snuffy, "It don't take much corn to mess up your system." So he goes on to state The federal government are subsidizing the over production of corn. Corn finds it's way into your diet in unexpected ways. Chickens fed corn equates to corn oil distilled by the bird. Good news is white meat is 95% fat free. He warns to avoid corn chips, and the like. So corn is cheap and they're feeding it to everything we eat... I have already removed corn syrup from my diet, but my question is, does the 45:1 ratio of bad to good Omega fatty acid pertain to corn syrup (high fructose corn syrup) as well?
Posted 8/11/2010 5:37 PM (GMT 0)
Back in 1981 when I was going through cancer treatments (surgery, chemo and rad for a sarcoma) the news media came out with the statement that nitrosomines were bad cancer causing agents. This included beer, meat prepared on a grill and many other foods including hot dogs. One of my cancer doctors, at that time, told me that he very often consumes a hot dog or two and he would continue doing so. When I asked "Why would you continue doing so if you know that they are bad for you", he responded that the lab rats used in those experiments were ONLY fed, as an example hot dogs, and he felt that they were bound to develop cancer if that was ALL that they injested especially in such concentrated amounts. Seems that too much of any good thing can still be bad for you.
Posted 8/11/2010 8:06 PM (GMT 0)
Bob, that's why I have said all along on the eating choices, its all about moderation on any one food or food group. I don't think folks need to make these tough for-life sacrifices of foods they enjoy. We just don't need to be like the lab rat, and eat our faves 100% of the time. The studies on any one particular food or food group are not conclusive as evidence to most of the experts.
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