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Posted 1/28/2011 3:53 PM (GMT 0)

I took my first PSA test yesterday since switching to a low-fat diet with lots of rabbit food, as well as 4 pom extract capsules and 4 green tea extract capsules daily.  My weight went down from 186 on Dec. 23rd to 179 today.  More importantly, my PSA, which had been on a steady rise from less than .05 in May 2010 to .16 on December 3rd, has gone down to .15.  My uro is pleased, and wants me to re-test in another month and see how things progress.  I'm not sure if any one of the changes in my regimen made a difference, or the combination did the trick, but I'm happy with the result.  If I can keep this on a downward trend, or at least keep it steady, I can hopefully hold off, or at least delay SRT.

                                                            Cheers,

                                                                       Paul

Posted 1/28/2011 4:08 PM (GMT 0)
Woo-Hoo, Paul!

Hopefully, you are looking at it now as a lifestyle change in your diet, and not just a temporary thing.

It's interesting to me how one loses the craving for red meat after only a relatively short time...has this happened to you yet?  A huge steak dripping with fat would gross me out now, although a periodic small (actual serving size) steak every now and then is ok with me).

best wishes...
Posted 1/28/2011 4:13 PM (GMT 0)
Paul,

The weight loss is direct cause and effect of your dietary changes, that is great news.

The PSA drop from .16 to .15 is still within normal testing tolerances for a PSA test that shows .xx readings. It you had a couple more test showing a continual slow drop off, it might be convincing on that front.

Are you contemplating SRT at this point? With your posted stats, looks like you are already well in range to consider this, especially being a Gleason 7 and with the cores you had. I was well on my way at your current PSA level.

David
Posted 1/28/2011 4:22 PM (GMT 0)
I am considering Proton therapy at either the University of Florida in Jacksonville, or Loma Linda University in Califorinia.  I have already contacted both hospitals and got the ball rolling.  I am optimistic about the lifestyle change and the supplements, but I am also a realist, and if the PSA goes up, I am spending 2 months in either Florida or California.
Posted 1/28/2011 4:30 PM (GMT 0)
Casey, I still love a good steak every once in a while. Most of my diet change has been in my breakfast. While the grill cook at work cooks up extremely tasty meals, she uses butter and bacon grease in every dish. I switched from that to blueberry yogurt and Cheerios. And yes, I do miss bacon, eggs, and hash browns!
Paul
Posted 1/28/2011 4:53 PM (GMT 0)
Grinnell86 said...
...but I am also a realist, and if the PSA goes up, I am spending 2 months in either Florida or California.

Ya gotta be...(a realist). I truly wish you the best, and will look forward to updates from you.

How's your exercise routine? We have a "PC/Aerobics Challenge" thread going through this week and next...trying to get guys to step-up their exercise levels because of all the published benefits of (i) fighting PSA progression, and (ii) improved overall health, longevity and quality of life as we age.

If you don't exercise, try a little. If you exercise a little, try a little more. Then, make an entry in the "challenge" thread: HERE
Posted 1/28/2011 5:13 PM (GMT 0)
Paul,

What was your exact post surgery stats.  I don't see them in your sig.

i.e. Gleason score, stage, did you have any positive margins or EPE?

Just curious.

Posted 1/28/2011 5:19 PM (GMT 0)
Paul  -- that's good news for whatever reason.  i stopped at gus's deli on my way to monterey on wednesday and had their gyros and egg breakfast, which consisted of three strips of gyro meat, three eggs scrambled, a block of hash browns and two pieces of sourdough toast.  wow! 

on the way home i stopped at the giant artichoke in castroville -- a place i have been going almost 50 years -- and picked up a quarter-pound bag of french fried artichoke hearts. 

today i'm starting my day with oatmeal, sugarless syrup and a few chopped walnuts  cool .

please keep us posted.

ed

 

Posted 1/28/2011 9:22 PM (GMT 0)
Paul -- that's really good news. Your PSA doubling time was something under 6 months, so you could have expected the next test to be up a point or at best staying the same. Instead, it is down. Wohoo!

Assume you are doing something right, and keep it going!
Posted 1/30/2011 1:31 AM (GMT 0)
Chris,

        When I get back from skiing, I will post my complete stats.  The dosage I have done in my one month trial are as follows:

Fish oil= 1000mg twice daily

Lecithin = 1200 mg 3 times daily (this is for my hemachromatosis)

Nature's Way Pomegranate capsules= 2/day

Spring Valley pomegranate softgells = 2/day

Green tea extract = 150 mg 4times/day

I also drink about 60 oz of iced green tea per day.

Acai = 1000mg twice/day

I also have 1 pint of blood taken and unfortunately disposed of because of PC every 2 weeks to get my iron level down.

Posted 1/30/2011 4:30 PM (GMT 0)
Grin,

Geez, that is a heck of a lot of supplements you are on. My doctor's would cringe just reading the list. You sure you need all of that?

David in SC
Posted 1/30/2011 5:59 PM (GMT 0)
No wonder he is losing weight...
Posted 1/31/2011 4:55 AM (GMT 0)
re: Grin's supplement regimen; I take a lot more than that....and so far, something seems to be paying off, maybe just dumb luck. So far, my psa has dropped and my 2nd biopsy was clean. Like Grin, I'm keeping my options open. If the situation worsens, will 1st consider HIFU or ProtonBeam.
Posted 1/31/2011 8:32 PM (GMT 0)
Paul (Grinnell86),

Sounds like you are doing well...lots of guys here are successfully losing weight, embracing yoga or other stress reduction tactics, eating more healthy, and exercising to help with their fight agains prostate cancer.

I thought you might appreciate reading this article, titled "How Prostate Cancer Can Extend Your Life."

best wishes...
Posted 12/23/2011 12:45 AM (GMT 0)
For about the past year I've been sipping all day on hot 1/2 green matcha tea- 1/2 pomegranate juice powder.
Posted 12/23/2011 1:52 AM (GMT 0)
Casey59, irrespective of steak or whatevah's. You point is well taken. When i switched to a better diet, it did not take long to enjoy the new diet and though not repulsed by, the old, I did feel better on the new..... tho " they" say it is better do get the " goodness " from food, rather than SUP's, { insider's reference } SUP, you get it right Casey.
Purgatory, your point on the PSA tolerence is valid, tho it didn't go up. I would definitely hang MY hope on that hook.
Logo
Posted 12/23/2011 1:15 PM (GMT 0)
So far, I've also had encouraging results with a similar diet. I'm also surprised by how little I missed red meat after the first week or so. The only thing I have trouble giving up is cheese, as I'm quite fond of Camembert and Brie. The odd time I sneak a very tiny taste, but in general I stick to my regime.

I also suggest adding to your diet: turmeric (found in curry), garlic and onions, mushrooms (try a wide variety), and hot peppers such as jalapenos, cayenne and chilli. Not only are these foods believed to have anti-cancer properties but they also add "zip" to the meals and make following such a regime much more interesting. Some of the more exotic mushrooms actually have a "steak-like" consistency which helps replace a meat-like texture in stir-fries, etc.
Posted 12/23/2011 11:10 PM (GMT 0)
I make my tasty hot tea drink from:
http://www.znaturalfoods.com/Pomegranate-Juice-Powder-Organic-5-lbs
and
http://www.nutsonline.com/cookingbaking/powders/green-tea/100-pct-matcha.html

I mix 50/50 and sweeten with stevia.
Posted 12/25/2011 8:18 AM (GMT 0)
Those of us with sons may occasionally be concerned that our sons are at a higher risk of getting Pca because we have had it, thus I am kind of pleased that in terms of diet my son is a vegetarian.
I have not completely cut out red meat, but strangely I have started to dislike the taste of it as well, so it migth be easier to cut out more.
I had managed to loose quite a bit of weight, In Kg I went down from 83 to 76, so that was a loss of about 15lbs or a stone, bit it all came back on again in about 2 weeks so I'm not sure what that was about.
Eating too much food over the holidays will not help, so I'd better close the laptop and go out for a long walk instead.
Alf
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