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Krammer49
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Posted 1/10/2017 10:18 PM (GMT 0)
Well, I'm sort of anxious but also sort of dreading my PSA recheck this coming Thursday. As most of you know, my first PSA came back at 5.1. Been on antibotics and now it's time to see what has happened. I know many of you; well all of you, are way more experienced than me so I'm asking for advice. I will my have PSA, free PSA, and hopefully PHI done Thursday. In your opinion, what numbers; or range, do you feel are safe and what numbers; or range, do you feel is concerning? Remembering I'm fairly young at 44 and in good shape otherwise. Also, regardless of the numbers, do I need to pursue a follow up with an urologist? I just don't want to be caught off guard and not knowing what to do. I want to have a plan ready for ever which way the numbers come back. Thanks again and you all are the best!
Michael_T
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Posted 1/10/2017 10:27 PM (GMT 0)
Ideally, you want to see that the PSA has gone down, which means it's very likely it was due to an infection and the cipro cleared it up. But even if it stays high, it's not necessarily PCa...that's just one possibility.
Remember, no sex between now and your PSA test. Ditto for bike riding or anything that can put any pressure in that area and give you a high number. Also, it's important that they draw the blood for the PSA test prior to doing the DRE--it's amazing how often I see that messed up around here.
If the number remains high, I'd consult a uro if I were you. Good luck to you and keep us posted!
InTheShop
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Posted 1/10/2017 11:33 PM (GMT 0)
It's so difficult to wait for test results. I know my brain spins through all the possibilities.
Anxiety generator for sure.
5.1 is high for a 44 year-old. Unless it's dropped a lot, I'd see a good URO. In fact, you might want to see a URO no matter the result - for peace of mind if no other reason. Hopefully you've got nothing to worry about
, but best to error on the side of caution.
Hang in there and let us know what the numbers are,
Andrew
Paxton
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Posted 1/11/2017 12:48 AM (GMT 0)
I think Andrew has nailed it. My PSA peaked at 5.7, and I'm 69, and went right through the process. In your situation, I would want to know all that I could know, so I could make my decisions in clear conscience. If there is something brewing "down there" wouldn't you rather find out and act while it is still early? That's how I felt about
it. My uro said that I might qualify for one of the Active Surveillance programs, but I just said no.
Krammer49
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Posted 1/11/2017 1:01 AM (GMT 0)
Thanks Michael_T, Andrew, and Paxton for the great advice! And that's my thoughts exactly. If it is something then I want to get a quick start on it. I have a great friend who did the active surveillance for 2 years and now the PCa and spread into surrounding areas. I'm not doing that if it boils down to it. The only thing I wasn't sure about
was how much of a drop in PSA should I see before I start down the possible PCa road?
John_TX
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Posted 1/11/2017 1:24 PM (GMT 0)
Create a signature with a synopsis of your situation if you would.
Paxton
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Posted 1/11/2017 1:51 PM (GMT 0)
Krammer - I think what you're asking is what a "normal" PSA range would be for a man your age. If so, I can tell you that the lab my uro and RO use (ACL Labs, Rosemont, IL) indicates that for a man between 40 and 49 years of age, the range is from .01 to 2.50.
They do show range recommendations for other age ranges, but this is the one you should consider. It looks like some additional testing is in your future. High PSA, as we've said, may or may not indicate PCa, but it does warrant testing to learn why it is elevated.
I would most definitely have that next conversation with a good urologist. Internists are good at raising the flag when something like this looks out of line, but they may not be the best at determining the causes. Prostates can go wonky for lots of reasons, and you want someone who does this all the time as your guide.
Krammer49
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Posted 1/11/2017 3:15 PM (GMT 0)
I went into the edit my profile and in the signature area put in my history; which is limited at this point. However, here is what it suppose to show.
Age 44
12/27/16-PSA 5.1
No prior PSA to set a baseline and this makes my situation a little more difficult.
Krammer49
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Posted 1/11/2017 3:16 PM (GMT 0)
It may show on this one.
vaportrail
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Posts : 104
Posted 1/11/2017 3:52 PM (GMT 0)
I had a similar situation. I have had bouts of prostatitis, and also had a high psa the first time it was checked at age 47. The only reason my VA doc at the time wanted a psa test, is because I wanted to get on testosterone replacement. My psa was about
the same level as yours, and I too kept thinking it had to be something else other than cancer causing my high psa. I told the doctor that I wanted to wait and see if it goes down on it's own.
My doctor was replaced (seems like I get a new doctor every few months) and the new one was shocked that I waited instead of getting a biopsy with such a high psa for my age and talked me into seeing a urologist. My second psa was around 7. By the time I finally got the biopsy a full year had passed since my first test. I was diagnosed with prostate cancer. What the uro described as a moderately aggressive tumor that filled half my prostate gland, and included perineural invasion.
I learned that many times when a younger man gets prostate cancer, it's often more aggressive.
I wish I had done the biopsy immediately after finding out my psa was high, so my advice is go ahead and get the biopsy as soon as you can. If they find nothing, then blame it on something else.
Just my 2 cents-
Krammer49
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Posted 1/11/2017 4:11 PM (GMT 0)
What I am really wondering about
is the free PSA number and the PHI number. I get the PSA part but; no offense to anyone here, but I'm just a simple hillbilly who has lived his whole life in the hills. My understanding, for what I have researched, is the lower percentage of free PSA the greater the chance for PCa. And the high the number on PHI the greater the chance. Am I right? Thanks! Again, you all are the best.
Budreaux
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Posted 1/12/2017 1:05 PM (GMT 0)
New to the forum and monitoring this thread. Haven't started the process yet but will soon!
Paxton
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Posted 1/12/2017 1:09 PM (GMT 0)
Krammer - I can't help much with the PHI info, but I do remember that there are ranges associated with the measurement of Free PSA. IIRC, and this is just from an old guy's memory, the ranges are something like 0-15% indicates high probability of PCa, 15-25% is ambivalent, and over 25% indicates a low probability of PCa.
That said, my Free PSA was almost 19%, and you can read in my signature what that meant for me. . .
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