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Posted 9/25/2018 12:16 AM (GMT 0)
Clarity

Ok that - "makes me chuckle."
Posted 9/25/2018 2:19 AM (GMT 0)

cashlessclay said...
Someone said . . . "cashlessclay, your little pseudo-science experiment is cute...
makes me chuckle."

It may not make me chuckle, but it certainly makes me smile. ....................

Do you grasp the fact that my PSA is "0.459", rather than "46", as projected using
my demonstrated doubling time prior to D&E?

Do you grasp the fact that my PSA is "unchanged" after 13 months; even with two
"failed" experiments, using too many, and too few, berries?

I'm providing "results", actual "numbers" . . . what are you contributing to this thread?

Cashless

I don't blame you for smiling! I would too!
Posted 9/26/2018 1:16 AM (GMT 0)
Vitamin B12 and prostate cancer . . .

Sufficient levels of vitamin B12 is often a concern for those
with vegan or near vegan diets. It has been a concern for me
since I have been on this anti-cancer diet. Taking supplements
is something I try to avoid, and the few studies concerning B12
and cancer we not encouraging. Well, recently, I have made an
effort to increase my B12 levels from seafood, and so far it has
not negatively impacted PSA. If I have any reason to suspect
that B12 is an issue of concern, l'll keep you informed.

Cashless
Posted 9/26/2018 5:53 PM (GMT 0)
Vitamin B12 (sadly, not found in raspberries) deficiency can cause irreversible brain deterioration/shrinkage.

We'll let you know if we suspect anything.
Posted 9/26/2018 7:31 PM (GMT 0)
Cashless,

It is quite possible that you have shown that eating a healthy vegan-type diet that uses low-glycemic carbs minimizing the insulin response as well as choosing nutritious non-carb calories has had an impact on your PSA. So the big picture reveals a promising promotion of how we can use diet to benefit our prostate cancer. Where I believe you are over-reading your PSA responses is your claims of how 2 blueberries or raspberries can throw your entire diet off. Your regimen of steel oats, how much fluid you use, when you can have coffee and how many miles you need to walk stretches credibility as well.

It would be like being on a blood pressure medicine for two months with readings of 120/80 taken once each month in the physician's clinic. During the summer you decide to enjoy peaches with your cereal several times a week. The next visit to your doctor, your blood pressure is 135/85. You correlate the increase in blood pressure with peaches.

Regardless, you need to be congratulated on your results. It is amazing how well you are doing with your PSA's and your will-power is nothing less than incredible.

Paul
Posted 9/26/2018 11:56 PM (GMT 0)
Cashless, cashless, cashless.......
Since I got sick, no matter what I have done to control psa. For the first time ever my psa has been holding steady and a bit lower than before. You know, I tried your diet and I was never successful untill the last month and half when I did the following:
1. I stopped the falafel as per your suggestion
2. I added may be 10 or 12 raspberries to my morning breakfast of steal cut oats
3. As per reachout, I added fruit pectin and pomi T
4. I increased my resistance training intensity about 5 times a week
5. I included soy beans whenever I remember after dinner, may be 3 times a week or so.
I am not sure what stopped my psa but everyone here knows I was EXTREMELY frustrated because of my failure with your diet despite me trying very hard
My psa was .36 on 8/7 and it went to .34 on 9/25 since I started the above points. I know it’s not a huge difference but for me I just needed to see any positive indication. Hopefully it continues. Thanks again cashless
Posted 9/27/2018 1:07 AM (GMT 0)
Cashless, I would like to thank you for your continued reports and your findings of what seems to be working for you. Keep smiling, Guy! There will always be "chuckling" naysayers and I appreciate how you make thoughtful and measured replies even to those who really don't deserve such consideration.

In the few months between my husband's diagnosis and his surgery, he was able to lower his PSA significantly by losing weight (although he really wasn't overweight to begin with), amping up his exercise, starting pom juice, and actually following some of the dietary principles you follow. We absolutely believe diet can affect PSA. As the years went by and my husband's PSA remained undetectable, he let the diet go (because, let's face it, it's hard!) but realizes he may return to one if recurrence is confirmed.

Not everyone, and probably not most folks, will be able to follow such a strict food plan for an extended period of time. However, for those able and willing to, your case study provides an interesting look into possible ways to slow PSA through diet.

Please keep reporting. You are serving a valuable role.
Posted 9/27/2018 3:19 AM (GMT 0)

swimmer2 said...
Cashless, I would like to thank you for your continued reports and your findings of what seems to be working for you. Keep smiling, Guy! There will always be "chuckling" naysayers and I appreciate how you make thoughtful and measured replies even to those who really don't deserve such consideration.

In the few months between my husband's diagnosis and his surgery, he was able to lower his PSA significantly by losing weight (although he really wasn't overweight to begin with), amping up his exercise, starting pom juice, and actually following some of the dietary principles you follow. We absolutely believe diet can affect PSA. As the years went by and my husband's PSA remained undetectable, he let the diet go (because, let's face it, it's hard!) but realizes he may return to one if recurrence is confirmed.

Not everyone, and probably not most folks, will be able to follow such a strict food plan for an extended period of time. However, for those able and willing to, your case study provides an interesting look into possible ways to slow PSA through diet.

Please keep reporting. You are serving a valuable role.

Hey, me too! I dropped mine 25% in the 2 months prior to surgery!. And that is the ONLY time it failed to go up- much less down- for any checks in the prior 14 years. And most recently it had been rapidly rising despite antibiotics. So maybe something actually helped. Aan't know for sure. But one thing is sure: the PSA stopped increasing, and went down.
Posted 9/29/2018 1:32 AM (GMT 0)
AK123 ... That's great news. Any drop in PSA is a significant step forward.

PDL17 . . . Paul, I understand what you are saying. I'm making sweeping
conclusions without very much evidence.

However, keep in mind that at the time of my recurrence, I had a PSA doubling
time of seven months and a new PSA reading every 3 months. So, with my PSA
doubling approximately every two data points, my objective was not to conduct
scientifically rigorous experiments, but rather to slow/stop cancer progression as
quickly as possible. Interesting scenario indeed.

Is there anyone out there who wants to tell us what they would do in that situation?
What is the quickest path to "zero" PSA growth? What does your first meal plan
look like, and why?

One must chose carefully.

Cashless
Posted 9/29/2018 4:32 AM (GMT 0)

Ak123 said...
Cashless, cashless, cashless.......
Since I got sick, no matter what I have done to control psa. For the first time ever my psa has been holding steady and a bit lower than before. You know, I tried your diet and I was never successful untill the last month and half when I did the following:
1. I stopped the falafel as per your suggestion
2. I added may be 10 or 12 raspberries to my morning breakfast of steal cut oats
3. As per reachout, I added fruit pectin and pomi T
4. I increased my resistance training intensity about 5 times a week
5. I included soy beans whenever I remember after dinner, may be 3 times a week or so.
I am not sure what stopped my psa but everyone here knows I was EXTREMELY frustrated because of my failure with your diet despite me trying very hard
My psa was .36 on 8/7 and it went to .34 on 9/25 since I started the above points. I know it’s not a huge difference but for me I just needed to see any positive indication. Hopefully it continues. Thanks again cashless

Well, it was all steady rise, and, now it's not. It actually has, finally for once, gone the other way for the 1st time. Does make one wonder. As I did(wonder) that time mine went down 25% in 2 months, after my DIY experiments.

Hey you guys, is Soy protein powder(low carb) OK as far as soybeans go?

Post Edited (BillyBob@388) : 9/29/2018 12:30:59 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 9/29/2018 4:40 PM (GMT 0)
Thank you all,
To be honest, although I am Very grateful it stopped rising for a month and half,
I can not draw any conclusions due to the short period of time. I pray it’s a sustained result like cashless have but That would be a dream for me to imagine. So, not to disturb things, I am going
To not add or ommit anything and test again in a month and half and see.
Posted 9/29/2018 8:15 PM (GMT 0)
AK, good thinking, and I like your perseverance. I really hope it pays off for you
Posted 10/2/2018 7:43 PM (GMT 0)
My current die plan consists of Irish Whiskey Neat.

Thats just today, after that continue on my protein ketosis diet. gotta drop them punds.
Posted 10/2/2018 8:25 PM (GMT 0)

kmclark1 said...
My current die plan consists of Irish Whiskey Neat.
.

My DIE PLAN consists of putting it off as long as possible.... yeah

Jim
Posted 10/2/2018 8:28 PM (GMT 0)
diet - die with a t
Posted 10/2/2018 8:31 PM (GMT 0)
D.I.E.T.

Did I Eat That?
Posted 10/4/2018 10:36 PM (GMT 0)
BillyBob asks: "Is soy protein powder(low carb) OK as far as soybeans go?"

BillyBob . . . it looks to me that it may work. It contains genistein and
daidzein, and it appears to have a low Glycemic Index. The genistein
and daidzein content could be quite variable, however (see ref. below).

/www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12822960

I have never used it myself, so I can't back it up with data.

Cashless
Posted 10/4/2018 10:58 PM (GMT 0)

cashlessclay said...
BillyBob asks: "Is soy protein powder(low carb) OK as far as soybeans go?"

BillyBob . . . it looks to me that it may work. It contains genistein and
daidzein, and it appears to have a low Glycemic Index. The genistein
and daidzein content could be quite variable, however (see ref. below).

/www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12822960

I have never used it myself, so I can't back it up with data.

Cashless

OK, thanks, Cashless.

Well, crap, bummer about the variability, sounds worse than with our supplements. I am off of the soy protein right now, using an organic mix of vegetables for my protein powder, on my "horse feed" days. Horse feed being a vegan, high fat, low carb breakfast I have sometimes. I had previously been using soy protein.
Posted 10/10/2018 4:36 AM (GMT 0)
@Cashless,

what other berries do you use? Bluberries, blackberries??
Are there any particular veggies you eat?So, once again, soy is good , right??

How often do you eat seafood??
Thank you.
Posted 10/12/2018 2:04 AM (GMT 0)
Concerning the diet;

Raspberries are the only berries I'm currently eating.
Sugar is a concern for breakfast with blue and blackberries , but
are likely OK after lunch or dinner, when the insulin response
would be muted.

I eat most all not-starchy vegetables. I have broccoli, cauliflower,
onions, tomatoes, cucumbers, red bell peppers, kale and carrots
everyday. Also, I have a little soy everyday as well.

I have had seafood anywhere from once a week to twice a day.
It does not appear to help nor harm PSA. As part of the the diet,
seafood is a good source of protein, and vitamin b12. Salmon,
herring and shell fish mostly, but easy with clams and oysters
due to their iron content.

Cashless
Posted 1/10/2019 9:55 PM (GMT 0)
Diet update:

Had a 6 week test period of the Prostate Cancer diet, with zero transgressions.
Applied everything I learned, including the reduction of shell fish. Zero
oysters, clams, mussels and shrimp due to iron content. Squid and scallops
were allowed. Also, I tried hard to move my vitamin D3 level beyond the 30
ng/mL level, by using 2 drops/day (2000IU/drop) of liquid vitamin D3, raising
the level to 43.7.

So the diet is vegan plus wild caught fish, mostly salmon, and a little squid
and or scallops. It is a very low insulin response diet with zero added sugar,
and other fast carbs. The diet is very careful with iron intake. Most recently,
I increased vitamin D3 to mid-levels, rather my usual 30 level.

The 01/07/19 PSA result is 0.442, down from 0.525 on 11/26/18, the best
results ever. Good thing, since I currently have no idea how to improve upon
the diet.

Cashless
Posted 1/10/2019 10:02 PM (GMT 0)
CONGRATULATIONS, cashless. I envy you smile
Posted 1/10/2019 10:26 PM (GMT 0)

Ak123 said...
CONGRATULATIONS, cashless. I envy you smile

Yay Cashless! You may be without cash, but you no longer have a rapidly doubling PSA! Yay! No doubt though it was just a long running coincidence, just happened to stop doubling when you instituted dietary changes, including cutting the insulin! Right, that's the ticket, just a coincidence! ;)

PS: I also notice raising your vitamin D3 also did you no harm!

Your highest PSA before diet was 46, is that right? Any treatment after reaching that 46?
Posted 1/10/2019 11:10 PM (GMT 0)
Nice work, Cashless - I'd been thinking about you, anticipating this update & hoping you continued to do well.

Wilderness
Posted 1/10/2019 11:19 PM (GMT 0)
BillyBob, I failed both surgery and salvage radiation. On march 21, 2013
my psa was 0.067 and I had a PSADT of about 7 months. So, today, without
any diet and exercise program my psa "would be" about 65. My actual psa
with D&E is 0.442, down from 0.525, which was my highest value since SRT
failure. My low insulin part of the diet is very strict and has been in place for
a while. These new results are believed to be due to tighter control of iron
and the concerted effort to raise vitamin d3. I do not know how to proportion
the effectiveness of each, but I do think that both are contributing to psa control.

There is ZERO chance that the diet is not the reason for the good results. I
have done this experiment for almost 6 years now, and when I'm "off diet",
the PSADT would revert back to about 7 months.

Cashless
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