Personal CBD experiment.

Fl Drifter said...
Drum....I for 1 am interested in your results .....please keep us informed ....thank you , and good luck with it . I`m "open" to your experiments.....dab onnnnnnn

Me too! The results so far seem impressive, though many will say "just another anecdote, means nothing". I suppose there is always a possibility of Of course, there is the possibility of a treatment altering PSA without actually altering the cancer.(think of drugs for enlarged prostate) But, with any PC treatment, all we have to go by is the PSA updates until it gets way out of hand. So if it goes down or does not go up, I presume it to be a good thing until proven otherwise.

Has there ever been a study on lifelong inhalers or cookie eaters of the substance under discussion? If so, I wonder how they do in the frequency of various cancers? Of course, they might be subject to additional results altering variables caused by the munchies.

Drum said...
Trail guy I hope you enjoy your breakfast, my wife doesn't cook, she's way too busy for that. I just had my morning "yuck". A butt load of fruit and vegtables, pulverized in a nutribullit, Yuck! Yeah, it's a way to get that crap in me, I just chug it down, the way we use to chug pitchers of beer in college.

I know what you mean. I feel that way somewhat about what my wife calls my horse feed breakfast which I used to eat almost daily(but well after my RP) but now only 1 or 2 days a week. It is not that it is exactly yuck, but just so lacking in good taste, just sort of neutral. But it is full of things rumored to be helpful, supplies me a high fat, low carb/protein, high fiber non-animal(for a change) meal that I can at least tolerate. The enthusiasm of the authorities and reputed experts for the breakfast I actually enjoy(and sometimes eat) is much lower.

Drum, good to hear you are still <.1. And I have a darned PSA test tomorrow, dang it. I may have to move also, depending on your continuing results! ;)

We need a June update from 10Drum.

My husband has been using CBD (hemp) patches for several months now. His PSA has dropped back to undetectable and he has added CBD mints (2 a day). His oncologist is so pleased- Hubby had started the patches without telling him and just shared it at his appointment last week. Dr. says he saw some studies that are about to be made public that show CBD oil (in almost any form) can not only stop/diminish cancer pain, but can retard cancer growth. Hubby says he has more energy than he's had since before his surgery! He now walks about 5-6 miles 4-5 times a week. Seems happier, too.

I guess I’m slipping. I had my PSA test in June after 4 month without CBD. It became detectable? .1. My PA at MDA thinks it’s a joke, basically sad, that can’t be. Went to the dispensary, and they had some low thc, high CBD oil. I’ll know in about 4 month??

I think I said this earlier about medical marijuana, is that about half of the patients, and providers are doing it for medical marijuana, the other half, is doing it for marijuana. Combine that with the pharmacy lobbyist, paying politicians to make it illegal, it’s becomes difficult to do proper research, hence, “snake oil”.

worriedabouthubby said...
My husband has been using CBD (hemp) patches for several months now. His PSA has dropped back to undetectable and he has added CBD mints (2 a day). His oncologist is so pleased- Hubby had started the patches without telling him and just shared it at his appointment last week. Dr. says he saw some studies that are about to be made public that show CBD oil (in almost any form) can not only stop/diminish cancer pain, but can retard cancer growth. Hubby says he has more energy than he's had since before his surgery! He now walks about 5-6 miles 4-5 times a week. Seems happier, too.

That is very encouraging to read! Assuming there really is something to it, I just hope they don't find a way to patent all of it and make all of it prescription ultra expensive. I think they will if they can.

HD_Rider said...

BillyBob@388 said...
That is very encouraging to read! Assuming there really is something to it, I just hope they don't find a way to patent all of it and make all of it prescription ultra expensive. I think they will if they can.

It doesn't matter to me how expensive it gets because I will never buy what I can get for free or at a low cost from a local dispensary (it's wonderful living in a "free" state").

I'll always have some growing in my personal garden...

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Well, where you live can make a big difference! But the low THC stuff- which also appears to have some real promise, and is in fact the very stuff that is now FDA approved and 32K per year- is available to us in these states that have not legalized medical MJ or any other MJ. I wouldn't put it past the FDA to try and make the non prescription stuff unavailable to us. Maybe the laws will soon change in all states. Particularly as opioid OD deaths have dropped significantly in states where it has been legalized, at least for medical use.

Sorry to hear it went up to a level you have not had in 2 1/2 years. But, also glad it did not go up even further, I guess it could have done that!

Jim,
I am in the care of MD Anderson cancer center. I have been doing exactly as they have instructed me to do. They have instructed me to retest in 4 month. So, I can can sit, wait, and worry about the results 4 months from now, or I can try other methods while I wait. I think I'll try other methods.

Here is a .gov link, about the role of cannabinoids in prostate cancer.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3339795/

My doctor at MDA knows what I am doing, but unfortunately due to laws passed in the 30's, (most likely to protect the profits of pharmaceuticals), our "traditional" cures may be decades behind where we could be today. I don't know, but we do know that THC lowers testosterone, which is the intent of the "traditional" hormone therapy, that I am trying to avoid.

Phil

OK.
I am a cancer patient and a very knowledgeable cannabis consumer in a US state where both medicinal and recreational cannabis are legal. I am 68 years old and have consumed cannabis since I was a 14 year old E LA gang banger. I am university educated, have been studying cannabis for 40 years and stay abreast of the science.

Hemp is a strain of cannabis that has very little THC and may have a lot of CBD. (That must be tested to confirm and most is not tested) That is the source of most 'CBD' oil. 'CBD' oil that has more than a trace of THC comes from other strains of cannabis. There are about 70 cannabinoid chemicals in cannabis, THC and CBD are just 2 of those.

There is nothing evil about THC, treating it as such is an unhelpful value judgement.

CBD does not cure cancer. I am really very sorry that it does not.

If it did cure cancer, I would not have stage 3 & 7/8 acinar adenocarcinoma. It takes a lot of cannabis to lower testosterone just a little bit. Loosing a testicle to leuprolide chem was much more effective. Often, taking 'CBD' oil for cancer accompanies major changes in diet and exercise patterns, both of which have been associated with the cancers course.

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/brady-urology-institute/specialties/conditions-and-treatments/prostate-cancer/prostate-cancer-questions/if-my-prostate-cancer-returns-will-i-need-aggressive-treatment

here's your link.

interesting thread. is it possible that self-medication is masking PSA? where have your doctors been on further treatment -- i.e., SRT?

I am a Siteman patient who also sometimes uses CBD for nausea moderation and I can tell you that the Siteman docs are not very likely to be very supportive. They have basically been told to cool their jets on the whole subject, according to one of my docs there. They are having a difficult time developing a consistent policy about its usage, especially with Missouri being a bit of a hybrid state having recently had voters approve things, but no supporting legislation is in place to make things work. For instance, my caregiver and I have done all kinds of paperwork to allow her to grow for my needs. She is now legal (we think) but you cannot get seeds or plants legally to start growing. It is just insane how dysfunctional the political system gets sometimes.

Anyway, I wish you all the luck in the world. I find CBD taken in the form of brownies to be the best nausea help there is. Strange when you consider it is like licking an ash tray, but it does seem to work for me at least. It does absolutely nothing in terms of PSA slowing or pain reduction, merely nausea help. I also detest the way I sometimes get too high as dosaging is difficult when consuming the THC that way. Oh well. Onwards we go.