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Skypilot56
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Posted 11/14/2019 11:35 AM (GMT 0)
A couple of new Breakthroughs?
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2019-11-driver-deadly-prostate-cancer.html
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2019-08-prostate-cancer-treatment-concept.html
trailguy
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Posted 11/14/2019 12:18 PM (GMT 0)
Thanks for the links, bro.
nepol
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Posted 11/14/2019 3:22 PM (GMT 0)
THANK YOU FOR THE INFO. always good to hear good news ... have a great day NEPOL...
mattam
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Posted 11/14/2019 3:41 PM (GMT 0)
So they said as high as 40% of patients develop CR within a few years. I’m thinking it might be higher than that.
Maybe I should have picked Zytiga instead of Xtandi. Lol. Who knows - I’m assuming this research is occurring in cell cultures or mice.
One thing seems for sure - cancer is a clever and determined SOB.
alephnull
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Posted 11/14/2019 6:28 PM (GMT 0)
I agree mattam about
CR. I thought I read or was told that every one of us EVENTUALLY becomes CR.
rcroller
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Posted 11/14/2019 11:31 PM (GMT 0)
I was about
to start Xtandi but just saw the study last night and called my MO For an appointment tomorrow to discuss. I’m thinking Zytiga may be the better choice at this point but want to get his take on it. This was the study that got me concerned: https://m.medicalxpress.com/news/2019-06-prostate-cancer-molecular-prolong-survival.html
Now seeing this thread has me rethinking my decision. I feel like I’m walking through a mine field and one misstep can seriously hurt. Geeeeze!
mattam
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Posted 11/14/2019 11:47 PM (GMT 0)
RCR,
Keep in mind that adding Xtandi, as well as early Chemo, has been shown to be equally effective to early use of Zytiga. Basing a treatment decision on one research paper may not be wise. I’m still very comfortable having chosen Xtandi for reasons which I did. I’m not trying to sway your choice, but encouraging you to keep these things in mind. It would interesting to see your MOs view.
Argent
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Posted 11/15/2019 3:54 AM (GMT 0)
I so agree with mattam. When I read that "they found that enzalutamide...augments release of these two transcript
ion factors..." I immediately thought oh ****!!! But it's a long way from bench research to significance for patients. So I have calmed down. Sometimes it's better not to read these very early studies: "For in much wisdom is much grief, and he that increases knowledge increases sorrow." Ecclesiastes 1:18
rcroller
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Posted 11/16/2019 12:39 PM (GMT 0)
Thanks for the advice mattam and Argent. I understand your reasoning and thank you for sharing that. unfortunately, I find myself in a bit of a hyper vigilant state at the moment with all that’s gone on recently. I’ve made some bad choices, “listening to my Uro” for one, when the studies came out about
Adjuvent radiation after surgery with high risk cases such as mine. He dismissed that study and my request for a referral to an RO. Now we know I should have fired him and gone that route elsewhere. Well, that’s water under the bridge now, but for whatever reason I’m afraid of making more mistakes so when I read studies such as this one I’m easily swayed.
I did meet with my MO yesterday and we had a great talk. He respects my desire to learn and know but he tells me I’m unusual because most of his patients don’t want to know. I see the double edged sword here. Anyhow, he gave me a crash course in neuroendocrine differentiation. He believes we’re seeing more of this lately not because the drugs are causing it but because guys are living much longer with these newer drugs and given the longer life, the cancer has more opportunity to develop into that very virulent and devastating form. He explained its more like it morphs into small cell carcinoma as if it were lung cancer but doesn’t respond as well as the usual small cell drugs used to treat lung cancer. They just don’t know why it happens or how to stop it.
That said, we went on to discuss my brain MRI which was surprisingly was fine for Xtandi; however, another issue came up regarding my out of control hyperlipidemia (I’m allergic to all statin drugs)) He was actually more concerned about
my choice of Xtandi and the cardiac risks with very high LDL cholesterol (around 300) so ultimately we did decide to reverse course and go with the Zytiga and pred. vs the Xtandi. I am a drinker and hopefully the liver will hold out. If there are issues tolerating Zytiga we will shift to Xtandi. The pharmacy will ship on Monday and I’ll start on it right away. I’m also still doing the two week Casodex regimen before I get my first ADT shot on the 25th. Thanks again for the advice.
Skypilot56
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Posted 11/18/2019 1:40 PM (GMT 0)
https://ascopubs.org/doi/abs/10.1200/jco.19.00646?af=r
mattam
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Posted 11/18/2019 2:35 PM (GMT 0)
The cardiac risks of ADT has it’s own controversy. I don’t think anyone really knows what’s going on half the time. Lol
Zytiga will work just as well as Xtandi. The important thing is you have a good plan in place.
Good luck ahead!
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