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Posted 3/18/2020 9:54 PM (GMT 0)
It was just announced on the radio that PA has it's first death--a man from Northampton Township. I live in what is called Upper Southampton township--the next township to the north is....guess what...Northampton.

In other interesting news...a document showed up on my desk at work that I hope I never have to use: It asks anyone presented with the letter to allow me to travel to and from work, as our company is considered a critical supplier under the rules covered in the DOD critical supply chain regulations. Like I said...I hope it doesn't come to that--I cross the Delaware river every day from PA into NJ--so either governor could bar traffic across the bridge.
Posted 3/18/2020 10:02 PM (GMT 0)
The CDC’s Deputy Director for Infectious Diseases Jay Butler discussing the Lisinopril question: https://youtu.be/ogioi7ev05g?t=1870
Posted 3/19/2020 2:49 PM (GMT 0)
I heard this morning, NPR questioning Sen Schumer about the risk-reward post I got "questioned" on.

It went something like this:

NPR: Sen Schumer, When does the downside and damage of this social and economic shutdown become too much?
Sen CS: Well it is something we will have to consider going forward.
Posted 3/19/2020 2:58 PM (GMT 0)
Can the richest nation in the world afford to go on a three month "siesta" without falling apart? I suspect it can, but I'm no economist.
Posted 3/19/2020 3:19 PM (GMT 0)
Mattam - this event will trigger a recession. A number of small businesses won't be able to weather the storm. In my area, I've seen reports of at least two restaurants going out of business citing that they don't have the cash reserves to survive being shutdown for three months. The question of the moment is how long will the downturn be?
Posted 3/19/2020 3:20 PM (GMT 0)
Maybe the richest citizens, or employees of large companies can take "a three month "siesta" without falling apart", but some of my family members, who own small businesses, will go bankrupt. And a couple of $1000 handouts wont keep their doors open.
Posted 3/19/2020 5:05 PM (GMT 0)
Well, China claims no new cases. If true, that's encouraging. Bill Gates is saying not to panic. He's thinking this may only last a couple of months. He's not a doctor but he's probably good at analyzing information. I probably trust him as much as anyone else.
Posted 3/19/2020 5:18 PM (GMT 0)
Hope he's right. Great news from China too - a milestone.
Posted 3/19/2020 8:06 PM (GMT 0)
In college (Northern Arizona University, B.S. 1970) I was a biology major, then after serving 2 years in the military, I did a one-year clinical internship in laboratory medicine. Over my career, I often worked in hospital-based microbiology labs. Some in my profession changed professions during the AIDS era. Now that I'm retired I'm wondering how many are hanging up their spurs at the beginning of the COVID-19 era. In any event, our healthcare professionals, physicians, nurses, technicians, medical assistants, support staff, etc. are at increased risk working in the trenches.

A microbiology professor in college told us (it now seems prophetic), that in the end the microbes always have the upper hand.
Posted 3/19/2020 8:31 PM (GMT 0)
Yes Tim, the healthcare professionals, physicians, scientists, nurses, technicians, medical assistants, and their support staff are the soldiers, and the heroes, of today.

Microbes have the upper hand? Maybe, maybe. But, science did discover a cure for hepatitis C, and has pushed back HIV, from what was once a death sentence, to something people can live with. I suppose the same can be said PCa, and many other cancers, too. I am confident science will beat this unseen enemy. I just hope soon. (My sister-in-law had hepatitis C. She died from complications of it. A year, or so later, a cure was discovered. My wife cries every single anniversary of her death.)
Posted 3/19/2020 9:16 PM (GMT 0)

Tim G said...
........In any event, our healthcare professionals, physicians, nurses, technicians, medical assistants, support staff, etc. are at increased risk working in the trenches....

Hope he's right. Great news from China too - a milestone..

Along with the National Guard and many civil service workers, at the 'other' epicenter' here in Broward Country ~ 100 cases, they are doing a most courageous selfless job, and they have zero bankruptcy protection. God bless and keep them all. We will get thought this, and be both stronger and wiser for it.

Yes, if true, good news about China, but no thanks to their totalitarian communist government.
Posted 3/19/2020 9:25 PM (GMT 0)
I have to disagree strongly with that sentiment. It is precisely because of the measures the Chinese government took that they could announce no new cases today. I want to salute China, and their government, for that great achievement. If other countries had adopted those same measures I feel we'd have a lot less cases than we do now.
Posted 3/19/2020 9:56 PM (GMT 0)
How surreal it is to review this thread from the start. The world has changed so much. All our lives have changed. Read about the poor guy, only 34, who beat testicular cancer, who died after visiting Disneyworld and becoming infected. 34? Jesus.
Posted 3/20/2020 12:48 PM (GMT 0)

Buddy Blank said...
I want to salute China, and their government, for that great achievement. If other countries had adopted those same measures I feel we'd have a lot less cases than we do now

China lied to its people and then to the entire world. Every infected soul, everyone that loses their job because of this pandemic, and everyone who is stuck in their homes can thank the authoritarian government there. They had a chance to actually stop this, but they chose to export suffering and death instead.
Posted 3/20/2020 1:02 PM (GMT 0)
Before we give any praise to China or brag about how they controlled the virus I ask where is the Doctor that initially sounded the alarm about Covid-19? From my understanding he was basically silenced and now is laying 6 under the ground!!!!

Larry
Posted 3/20/2020 1:11 PM (GMT 0)
For the past two days, there were no new cases in China. The center for the spread of the virus is Europe, not China. European nations could have shut down. They didn't. The UK could have shut down. They didn't. The U.S. could've shut down. We didn't. Look at all the people who were on the Florida's beaches. Is that China's fault? Does China run the government in Florida? China has halted the spread of the virus. Here in the U.S., despite seeing what happened in China, people did not take the virus seriously. They insisted on leaving bars and restaurants open. The insisted on Spring Break partying, further spreading the virus. Is that China's fault?

The blame game goes nowhere.

I am afraid we're going to learn the hard way here in the States. We didn't take the right measures. I don't blame China for that. I blame our leaders.

The blame game goes nowhere. We're all in this together: every country, ever person.

(One of the rules here, long before COVID-19, is no politics. Stop the China-bashing.)

Post Edited (Buddy Blank) : 3/20/2020 7:57:54 AM (GMT-6)

Posted 3/20/2020 1:23 PM (GMT 0)

Skypilot56 said...
Before we give any praise to China or brag about how they controlled the virus I ask where is the Doctor that initially sounded the alarm about Covid-19? From my understanding he was basically silenced and now is laying 6 under the ground!!!!

Larry

Chinese Authorities Admit Improper Response To Coronavirus Whistleblower
Posted 3/20/2020 1:59 PM (GMT 0)
"The world is gripped by the coronavirus pandemic. At time of writing there were about 225,000 confirmed cases in total, and 9,300 deaths. Europe is for the moment the epicenter of the outbreak, particularly in Italy where the virus has overwhelmed the health care system, but dozens of other countries are only a week or two behind on a similar track, including the United States.

"However, there are major divergences between the performance of different countries. Rich and middle-income East Asian countries like Taiwan, Vietnam, and Singapore have managed to nearly halt the outbreak in its tracks, while more ramshackle countries like the U.S. and U.K. have botched it almost beyond belief."

https://theweek.com/articles/903353/america-worlds-worst-coronavirus-responses?utm_source=links&utm_medium=website&utm_campaign=twitter
Posted 3/20/2020 2:05 PM (GMT 0)
Chinese doctor, the VP of the Chinese Red Cross, in Italy: In Lombardy in the region most affected by Coronavirus unfortunately the policies are not yet as tight as according to our standards. People don't wear masks, there are still too many people around, public transport is still active and you eat too much in restaurants and hotels. It is time - added Vice President Shuopeng - to close economic activities and prohibit the movement of people. We must hurry, we must stop all economic activities and stop mobility. Everyone must stay at home, in quarantine, and we need everyone to be prepared to protect their lives, because people's lives are the most important thing, we don't have a second choice in front of life. Everyone is involved in the fight against Covid-19, not just the government, not just the medical staff. All citizens must be involved and follow containment measures. https://milano.corriere.it/notizie/cronaca/20_marzo_19/sun-shuopeng-milano-cosi-non-va-bene-basta-spostamenti-ne-va-vita-c41c95fe-69e4-11ea-a8a1-df48c20e9d2e.shtml
Posted 3/20/2020 2:08 PM (GMT 0)
"Italy waited until they had 10x the number of daily cases (2,000) as China did before they started their quarantine. Germany, France, and the USA have all surpassed 3,000 daily cases and none have yet implemented a mandatory quarantine."

It seems some didn't learn the lesson... tragic.
Posted 3/20/2020 5:49 PM (GMT 0)
I am posting a link that talks about zinc and chloroquine. If it has already been posted I apologize. about a minute and a half in the zinc discussion begins. Apparently Korea and China researched the use and have been successfully using chloroquine and the Italians are beginning to use it. It makes sense the US would be trying to fast track FDA approval. I understand some doctors are using it without FDA approval.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=italy+coronavirus+zinc&&view=detail&mid=aa42f6d6a58416bf172aaa42f6d6a58416bf172a&&form=vrdgar&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3fq%3Ditaly%2bcoronavirus%2bzinc%26%26form%3Dvdvvxx
Posted 3/20/2020 5:56 PM (GMT 0)
I guess we just aren't as despotic, dictatorial, and authoritarian as the Chinese government is.
Oh how I wish we were more like China. /sarc

So, no I do not believe anything they tell us.
BTW I had this really political statement all typed out, but I decided not to.
Posted 3/20/2020 6:18 PM (GMT 0)
Wacky, crazy, nutty idea that I'm offering in jest yet with a smidgen of reason.

I live in California, where as everyone knows our governor just told us all to stay home. Excellent move. His experts guesstimate that 25.5 of the 40ish million of us will contract this thing in the next 2 months. We also read of the woeful shortage of ICU beds, ventilators, etc. and the people to run them. In Italy triage creates tragic decisions.

It is reasonable to assume that this situation, irrespective of politics, will likely be our future as well. I am 66; my wife is 68. We are in otherwise good health, but still.

What about deliberately getting the virus now (as deliberately as one is able) so as to potentially be in a position to take advantage of the now-available resources? This assuming we'll need them, which we would hope not to.

This would serve two functions: 1) We'd potentially be able to be treated and recover, and 2) We therefore wouldn't be adding to the crush in another x weeks/months when it really gets bad.

Call this a thought experiment. (PS I'm not really gonna do this!)

Post Edited (2019Guy) : 3/20/2020 12:57:37 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 3/20/2020 6:27 PM (GMT 0)

2019Guy said...
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What about deliberately getting the virus now (as deliberately as one is able) so as to potentially be in a position to take advantage of the now-available resources? This assuming we'll need them, which we would hope not to.

This would serve two functions: 1) We'd potentially be able to be treated and recover, and 2) We therefore wouldn't be adding to the crush in another x weeks/months when it really gets bad.

Call this a thought experiment. (PS I'm not really gonna do this!)

You'd potentially be able to be treated and recover, or you'd potentially die, or just one of you would die (70% of Italian corona deaths are men!). Perhaps better to try not to get the virus and last until a vaccine is available and/or there are good therapeutics or preventatives.

Also, by the time you got symptoms bad enough for hospitalization, you'll be in the crunch anyway. I don't think our U.S. curve will be approaching it's (first) hump anytime soon. We're just starting our exponential rise.

Post Edited (DjinTonic) : 3/20/2020 12:32:41 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 3/20/2020 6:49 PM (GMT 0)
Thank, Djin. I was hoping cooler heads would prevail and had a feeling one would be yours.

But... darn... I was looking forward to going out and hugging all the purty girls!

Post Edited (2019Guy) : 3/20/2020 12:57:01 PM (GMT-6)

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