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Vynbal
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Joined : Apr 2021
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Posted 4/30/2021 3:34 AM (GMT 0)
No question here, I am just feeling the need to share as part of processing over the surprise (denial) of my new diagnosis - localized, intermediate-risk, unfavorable PCa, and early attempts to gather information to make an informed decision on treatment. I am sure none of this is new to the folks here, so bear with me.
While objectively I think I am doing things right - so far met w/2 RO, sending slides to JH for a 3rd opinion, seeing a JH RALP surgeon next week, MRI, CT, Bone scan appointments set up, etc, emotionally I keep going on this roller coaster. I imagine opting for treatment X. I look up on HW and find so-and-so who is 5 years out and still dribbling, and I think "Alas, that's sure to be me too. Forget X, What's the point if my QoL sucks?"
Then I read about
some other guy, newly diagnosed w/Stage 4 because his doctor never bothered to test his PSA, and I think of myself, "What kind of @$$ are you to feel sorry for yourself when there's a 99% chance you are going to be just fine. Get over yourself and get on with it!"
So I go back and say OK, how about
treatment Y, and I read up on that and .... back on the roller coaster.
Anyway, thanks for being here, and letting me vent.
fiddlecanoe
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Posted 4/30/2021 3:51 AM (GMT 0)
Welcome! This is the place to vent because we have all been where you are right now, and all understand the frustration of choosing a treatment and the roller coaster experience. Venting is good for you. It's likely that after some time you will figure out the right treatment and the right doctor for you. It seems to me that you are doing all the right things right now.
jmadrid
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Joined : Sep 2017
Posts : 439
Posted 4/30/2021 5:57 AM (GMT 0)
I was also worriyng about
incontinence but it was solved in 2 months. And I guess it takes shorter for most people. Just think you have a great chance to be fine physically and emocionally in a couple of months from now. But all us know how you feel right now.
JimBear
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Posts : 132
Posted 4/30/2021 7:18 AM (GMT 0)
Every upcoming appointment and test result will be another hump to endure on the roller coaster. Even with more information and better understanding there's still frustration and uncertainty about
the process and the potential outcomes. I finally got off the roller coaster when I made my firm decision on treatment method and doctor. All the research gave me confidence that finally clicked together and felt right for me. I was ready to go on the offensive. You will too!
halbert
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Posted 4/30/2021 9:29 AM (GMT 0)
We all get it. Here's the thing that I think most of us experienced in one way or another: When you get enough information, and you sit down with the doctor or team that you connect with, you'll relax. When you make your decision--whatever it is--you'll relax. You'll know in your gut.
It really does work that way, it's hard to explain, but it happens, more often than not.
In the mean time, you have to live with it. Do things to keep going. Long walks/bike rides. Fishing trips, whatever it is that helps you relax, do those things. The other thing is, and it's also true: There is a thing called treatment regret--and it shows up most often in men who didn't do any research, who just did what their diagnosing doctor told them to do, and had a sucky outcome. Men who do what you're doing, make their call based on their criteria--whatever they are--tend to have fewer regrets, even if they have a less than optimal outcome.
Hang in there, the answers are coming.
JNF
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Posted 4/30/2021 9:48 AM (GMT 0)
Have you sought a radiation oncologist as well? You owe it yourself to investigate the various radiation options as they present the same cancer control and usually lower treatment side effects. Also treatments like brachytherapy and SNRT are amazingly convenient compared to low fraction radiotherapy and surgery.
Please do not allow a surgeon to give you a radiotherapy assessment as they are in no way qualified to do so. You have to see board certified radiation oncologists for a proper assessment.
Tudpock18
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Posted 4/30/2021 10:31 AM (GMT 0)
Vyn, we all understand...we have been there. The real key for me was to make sure I had thoroughly investigated all possible solutions so that I could make an educated decision. In addition to a surgeon you should see RO's who specialize in SBRT, HDR Brachy and LDR Brachy. Any of those mainstream treatments should cure you. Each of them has pluses and minuses including the considerations about
side effects. Once you have extensively surveyed the landscape then take a deep breath...you will be in a position to make a good decision.
Jim
Michael_T
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Posted 4/30/2021 1:41 PM (GMT 0)
That was exactly what I was going through as well. Every second of every day. I'm not sure how long that period lasted, but I do know that once I chose a treatment option that gave me something new to focus on and that helped a lot. That was also when I felt like I started playing offense, instead of defense.
One other thing on the QOL issue. Most of us do well in that regard. Maybe not perfect, but very well. It's likely that you will, too. Hang in there and feel free to rant away!
Pratoman
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Posted 4/30/2021 6:44 PM (GMT 0)
Vyn, like the others, and like you, i had plenty of anxiety and rollercoaster-ness in the two months leading up to my surgery. I channeled the anxiety by just focuing on researching treatments and managing appointments with numerous Drs. And once you make the decision final, you may find some more peace, as many of us did.
Hang in there, get your research done, and vent here any time. Its gonna be fine.
VinceInMT
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Posted 4/30/2021 11:56 PM (GMT 0)
Vynbal said...
I look up on HW and find so-and-so who is 5 years out and still dribbling....
I didn't regain continence and had the AMS800 installed. Heck, I think that I am more continent now than before RALP.
Mumbo
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Posted 5/1/2021 9:50 PM (GMT 0)
Vyn - Keep in mind that HW and other forums tend to consist of PCa survivors that have had more difficult situations and/or various complications and side effects that make it an imperfect sampling and not necessarily representative of all PCa patients. You have take every time you read something that “scares” you or promises you the “cure” with some skepticism. They are all things to discuss with doctors and then make up your own mind.
I can’t tell you how many times I got whipsawed as I was reading posts and internet articles trying to make my own decisions. I was really high at first on Proton therapy based on the “fanboys” who extoll the virtues of their experience. Then you find out it’s track record is no different than modern IMRT radiation methods (ask your RO) and is not approved by insurance very often now unless the cost is the same. That does not make it bad at all but is where it’s history has ended up currently.
For whatever reasons, I ended up with surgery and did not have any continence issues. I would never tell you to expect my luck with that or how I accomplished that (no idea other than did my kegels before surgery) but not all people have those issues. ED is still an issue but that is the way it goes sometimes with more serious cases or inexperienced surgeons.
Just keep researching and seeing doctors until one of the methods seems to gel in your mind as the right way for your situation and then move on. See, it is pretty simple until until you live it and find it a bit more difficult than that but the concept is what we all had to do at some point.
Terry's Cellar
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Posted 5/2/2021 12:12 PM (GMT 0)
Vyn, I agree with Mumbo regarding this forum being an imperfect cross section; but, I’m glad I found the forum and glad you found us. I credit the forum for helping me make an informed treatment decision and no matter what happens down the road I won’t have regret. I’m glad you’re taking the time to investigate the treatment options and that’s as good as it gets. I also believe for intermediate and high risk guys in particular you should find the very best practitioner for treatment. Often these centers of excellence are associated with universities and are up to date on the latest advancements in treatment. Keep learning and keep us posted. Terry
Mumbo
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Posted 5/2/2021 2:42 PM (GMT 0)
Vyn - a resource you might find helpful if you don’t mind being on their mailing list
https://www.pcf.org/guide/prostate-cancer-patient-guide/
DjinTonic
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Joined : Dec 2019
Posts : 2435
Posted 5/2/2021 3:17 PM (GMT 0)
You can access the
PCF's Prostate Treatment Treatment Guide
directly without having to give them your email addy.
I would point out to our "surgery never" Forum Brothers that this organization has surgery or RT as treatment choices for
every
risk group for whom they recommend treatment on p.34 of this 2021 update.
Djin
Vynbal
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Joined : Apr 2021
Posts : 95
Posted 5/2/2021 8:04 PM (GMT 0)
Thanks for the info pointer. I started looking through it - good stuff but lots of it.
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