Vaccines will probably save a lot of lives, but could we have been doing so all along?

BB: No, I don't think you're a quack. Your comments over the last year regarding the pandemic are a one-note song full of citations that I suppose are designed to sway the opinions of those you disagree with--but they mostly are just exhausting rehashes of the same one-note song.

You might even be right. But going out of your way to pick fights is not the best way to win friends and influence people.

Now, if I get moderated for this response, I'll accept it.

halbert said...
BB: No, I don't think you're a quack. Your comments over the last year regarding the pandemic are a one-note song full of citations that I suppose are designed to sway the opinions of those you disagree with--but they mostly are just exhausting rehashes of the same one-note song.

You might even be right. But going out of your way to pick fights is not the best way to win friends and influence people.

Now, if I get moderated for this response, I'll accept it.

Halbert, I hope neither you nor I get moderated. One of the main questions that matters, as far as I'm concerned is: am I wrong?(or not me, but the studies I link to) You say: "You might even be right.". Indeed, I think the evidence overwhelmingly concludes that I probably am right. As I said in the OP, if people conclude that I am crazy, they are not really arguing against my conclusions, but they are against the extremely highly qualified MDs who I am quoting. MDs who are, IMO, far above Fauci on this subject, because they are actually in the trenches seeing what works to help their patients survive. And what a relatively superb job the are doing! If I am severely ill, I can omly pray that I end up in their ICU!

"But going out of your way to pick fights is not the best way to win friends and influence people.".

Yes, Halbert, you are right about that. And I realized I was once again taking a chance of generating some real negativity towards me personally by bringing this up once again. I am beating the same drum over and over. But Halbert, though I want to be liked by you and every one else just as much as the next guy, my primary concern is to save lives. That is all that really matters. And it seems I can not get any one to listen to facts. So I don't know what else to do except keep beating that dead horse, in hopes that finally SOMEONE will listen. If someone has listened and one life has been saved, for me it will be worth my unpopularity.

And Halbert, I confess that on my last foray into this forum a few months ago, your words to me cut me to the core. Why? Well, I was used to extreme assault from BuddyBlank.(where is he anyway? I hope he is all right). But Buddy was well known by most as pretty out there in his combative comments to may others than just me. And before him it was a few people who I wondered if they were the same person as Buddy, just using different usre names. But all pretty extreme in their responses. And before them it was Tall Allen, who rather than ignoring my threads, used to tell me that he was keeping a close watch on me to make sure I didn't hurt some one by linking to studies. This was before he had to leave due to his harshness with other folks, not me, and his refusal to be moderated.

But you? I had no idea you felt that way about me. You and I- if mem serves- got here about the same time. And you did not always agree with me, which is totally fine, but I had no idea of the extremity of your opposition to things I had posted previously. And that got me thinking: well, who else? Maybe all or most? So, I decided it best if I just leave folks alone and not butt in where not wanted. So as far as commenting or starting threads, I just sort of disappeared for a few months. ( HA! It appears I was not missed! LOL! Maybe I should take a hint? LOL! )

But, I kept on reading here as I always have. And same old thing. When can we get the vaccine? When can we come out of distancing and masks? Has the vaccine been rushed and will there be long term harm? The entire time, the most important(IMO at least) thing being missed: that people with high but still safe blood levels of C, D and zinc have almost zero need to worry about getting bad sick from Covid or any other respiratory illness, if they even get it at all. (as I write, Fauci is talking about the need for a booster. And no doubt soon there will be a new virus assaulting us. SIGH, it truly will never ends) And as this goes on, as the masses remain ignorant of all of this because the government and medical authorities absolutely refuse to tell them, over 1/2 million die.

So, Halbert, my tender whimpy feelings may have been bruised by the thought that you didn't like me, but recently as I kept reading I thought: what the heck is wrong with me? Why do I give a hoot of any of these members or mods like me? All that is important, at least until I am proven wrong, is that even if only 1 out of 10 listens to me, then 1 out of 10 or a hundred lives might be saved. All in a pretty safe and very cheap fashion. If Marik et all results are correct, and mortality was reduced between 70 and 85% by adding these super cheap, readily available and pretty darn safe substances, how many lives would that have been during the last year and a half? And if people can accomplish even just 25% of this benefit by taking care of business themselves before they ever need a doctor, how many lives saved would that have been?

So, Halbert, again, you are right. I am proving very poor at winning friends and influencing people, even though I wish it was not that way. But if there is a chance that one of you guys has listened to- not to me, but to the studies I have linked to- then there is the chance that one life has been saved or at least severe illness avoided or lessened. And if that is the case, even if I end up hated or simply thought of as crazy, it is well worth it. Even if I have to keep repeating the facts and studies over and over again before it makes it thru thick skulls belonging to people who don't like me.

Having blown off that steam, let me say: by vaccine or other means, I wish all of you- most particularly including Halbert- excellent health and blessings! May God bless you all!

Post Edited (BillyBob@388) : 5/21/2021 9:30:06 PM (GMT-6)

BB is is back. one of them anyway

I vote for BillyBob. This posting had new information, and I appreciate having it. It may be very useful since I am involved with some non-vaxers.

Please keep it on topic, and drop the personal back and forth about Billybobs posts. If you don’t want to read any more of it, just skip past his posts. Or if you must, use the ignore button. We’d rather not lock the thread.

"Feel free to caress an idea; don't strangle it."

That approach reminds me of the anecdote about a conversation that reportedly took place on the filming set for the 1989 movie "Batman."

Veteran actor Jack Nicholson played the Joker in the film, and Michael Keaton played Batman.

At one point Keaton, in his Batman costume, was having a conversation with Nicholson, expressing his concern on how best to play the role of Batman.

Nicholson replied,

"Let the suit do the acting, kid."

Right, don't strangle, caress.

Billy Bob,
FWIW, I think you have frequently gotten a bad deal on the Forum. Most of the rabid nut cases have been rooted out of here, but the criticism towards you continues. Ya, your posts are probably too long, but nobody is required to read them. You don't push your ideas as being what should be practiced by everyone and you're never malicious. I view you as an information provider for people to do with as they please.

Hope you're having a good year.

Flies??...pass the vinegar puhlease...but yeh I know what your saying...

mattam said...
Billy Bob,
FWIW, I think you have frequently gotten a bad deal on the Forum. Most of the rabid nut cases have been rooted out of here, but the criticism towards you continues. Ya, your posts are probably too long, but nobody is required to read them. You don't push your ideas as being what should be practiced by everyone and you're never malicious. I view you as an information provider for people to do with as they please.

Hope you're having a good year.

FWIW, i agree with everything mattam said. Well said mattam
However, BB hasn't logged on since his last post, i hope we haven't chased him out, i find his posts a bit long, but often valuable

BB:

When you say this:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
The entire time, the most important(IMO at least) thing being missed: that people with high but still safe blood levels of C, D and zinc have almost zero need to worry about getting bad sick from Covid or any other respiratory illness, if they even get it at all. (
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
we get into the old hucksterism pitch: "Here's what doctors don't want you to know..."
I'm sure you have your studies but I don't see the FDA or other formal medical approval as this being a front-line tx. You are basically implying that there is no need to get vaccinated. Just load up on the right supplements. Sorry. It might be very helpful, but without rigorous testing ala a suggested vaccine, it doesn't pass my smell test. I'll do (did) the vaccine.

Prato-- you may be hearing the same suggestions, but I noticed it hasn't stopped you from getting vaccinated!

Mel

Hello Bros,
WOW! I am surprised to see so many responses. I have been busy for a day or two and unable to see what was happening. I thank you all for your responses, whether for or against me. I do apologize for my failings in being a communicator, I guess I am indeed a bit of a strangler. But, I do ask, does anything else ever get strangled around here? Like page after page in multiple threads about "when can we get a vaccine" and "will can we ever go back to normal once we get a vaccine" etc, etc. In fact, reading SO many pages of those is what spurred me to bring this subject up yet again. So many seem to have true anxiety of either not being able to get the vaccine, and/or whether or not it has been adequately tested for safety, while APPEARING, based on a lack of comments on the subject, totally ignorant on other approaches which at the very least should allow folks to have little concern about whether or not they can get the vaccine right now, because those other approaches most likely, at the very least, put the odds so greatly in their favor. Now, I suspect that most readers here are NOT ignorant on that subject, and thus have been making sure- for one thing- not to be deficient on nutrients vital to our immune systems. But, you would very rarely see anything like that mentioned here, and I assume even less often out in the general public.

So, perhaps I viewed all of that a a form of strangulation, and finally in frustration had to shout out once again: HEY, GUYS, don't forget about these things! I know no one is going to mention these things in a press conference, but I'm pretty sure most of you have read most of the studies, SO MAY I REMIND YOU, there ARE things you can do to put the odds greatly in your favor. Then again, maybe I am just being defensive, like a child crying "they did it first!" or "too!" y saying others have been "strangling". Probably am.

Either way, I hate it that I am a strangler, and I apologize for for that shortcoming. I would like to be more pleasant, or even to be popular, with more people. But it might be my nature to strangle an idea and I will probably do it again. As Halbert once said of me "You just can't help yourself, can you?". Halbert, sadly, I admit you might be right. But in your most recent post, you said " A gentle request: ask yourself, why are you doing it? What is your purpose?".

The answer is what I said previously: #1, above all else, is to save lives. May there never again be a situation where 100% of those severely ill with Covid, and under age 75 in ICU, are insufficient in vitamin D and most severely deficient, many below 10 ng/ml. If nothing else, may there be no one at this forum in that condition. May there be no one like the 17 of 18 in the Barcelona study of the 18 in ICU with Covid who were UNDETECTABLE for vitamin C, with #18 merely severely low, but at least detectable(so 18 of 18 with at least very low vitamin C, or undetectable). It is obvious that none of these people have been advised by their doctors- or any one else, not even a pain in the butt person like me- in these matters. That is a huge pity, IMO. Surely it is also a pity to you?

Anyway, thanks for the comments and advice, EVERY one. I'd like to reply to all, but it might take a while. Right now I want to comment on docs who have been advising under the radar, next post.

compiler said...
BB:

When you say this:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
The entire time, the most important(IMO at least) thing being missed: that people with high but still safe blood levels of C, D and zinc have almost zero need to worry about getting bad sick from Covid or any other respiratory illness, if they even get it at all. (
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
we get into the old hucksterism pitch: "Here's what doctors don't want you to know..."
I'm sure you have your studies but I don't see the FDA or other formal medical approval as this being a front-line tx. You are basically implying that there is no need to get vaccinated. Just load up on the right supplements. Sorry. It might be very helpful, but without rigorous testing ala a suggested vaccine, it doesn't pass my smell test. I'll do (did) the vaccine.

Prato-- you may be hearing the same suggestions, but I noticed it hasn't stopped you from getting vaccinated!

Mel

Some people have the same opinion of "but without rigorous testing ala a suggested vaccine" about the vaccine. It certainly has not been tested with the usual long term tests required for new drugs.

"we get into the old hucksterism pitch: "Here's what doctors don't want you to know..."". Just what BuddyBlank always said. One could be forgiven for actually thinking doctors don't want you to know since, no matter how many studies, and no matter that Fauci has admitted doing so himself because he thinks there is good evidence for flu and colds and other respiratory infections, they will NOT notify us, the general public. OTOH, as I have been told and as some others have commented on here, it appears some docs have been notifying people in a sort of confidential fashion. Like in their office once you are already sick, so they must be more and more of them who believe the same studies I do. But notify the public, by way of a government press conference? You must be kidding. Which brings us back to the question BuddyBlank always asked me: why won't they tell us? Well, gee, I don't know F8. Do you? If Fauci admitted that simply because he though there was good evidence for C and D against flu, colds and respiratory illness(because there is), why wouldn't he recommend the same for the general public?

So, F8, do you think I am doing these things as a huckster? Perhaps I have cornered the market on D, C, zinc and quercetin, or hydrogen peroxide($1 for a huge bottle)? Maybe I have.

Post Edited (BillyBob@388) : 5/23/2021 8:02:51 PM (GMT-6)