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Posted 7/21/2011 2:49 PM (GMT 0)
OK, here is what is RECOMMENDED:

 Fish Oil -- 2000 mg. daily

Calcium Citrate-- 500-1000 mg. with dinner or at bedtime

Vit. D-- 2000 units daily

Lycopene 10-30 mg. daily

He then lists OPTIONAL Supplements:

Curcumin -- 900-1800 mg. daily

Green Tea-- drink tea or 500-800 mg. capsules daily

Modified Citris Pectin -- 5-15 gms. daily

Pomegranite Extract Pills from Pom Wonderful

Co-enzyme Q-10   200 mg daily if taking a statin

He then lists what to AVOID (unless you have a clear-cut deficiency):

Multivit., chondroitin, folic acid, iron, copper, zinc

Hope this helps. I already posted elsewhere that I will be looking for a good reasonable place to get this stuff. He also said don't go crazy with this. So I plan to load up on the first group and maybe get the Pom (does anyone know where I can get the Pom-Wonderful brand?) and maybe curcumin from the second group and maybe drink some green tea.

Mel

 

Posted 7/21/2011 3:19 PM (GMT 0)
I get the Pomegranate extract from Barlowe's Herbal Elixirs the turmeric from a supplement supplier on eBay...

If you want the brand name Pom-Wonderful, they sell directly and have an extensive web-site...
Posted 7/21/2011 3:42 PM (GMT 0)
Exact same list as Scholz published in his book, Invasion of the Prostate Snatchers on page 194, and also previously published here at HW...
Posted 7/21/2011 3:51 PM (GMT 0)
Does the typical health food store at the mall have most of this stuff?
Posted 7/21/2011 4:16 PM (GMT 0)
The only thing I haven't found easily at the typical store is Lycopene.
Posted 7/21/2011 4:22 PM (GMT 0)

We buy Lycopene at Walmart - about $6 for a bottle of 60 softgel capsules.

Margie

Posted 7/21/2011 5:07 PM (GMT 0)
Thanks, Margie...good to know! I've never even looked there.

-Bob R.

Posted 7/21/2011 6:46 PM (GMT 0)
Thanks Mel. Interesting how the experts differ. Myers treatment program includes "not merely recommended" vit D, curcummin, pomegranate extract and resveratrol. Things like fish oil and lycopene are recommended. BB
Posted 7/21/2011 7:26 PM (GMT 0)
Hey BB:

Is the resevertol (sp) obtained by drinking red wine or do you take this in a supplement?

Mel

Posted 7/21/2011 10:10 PM (GMT 0)
Resveratrol is a suppliment. I get a capsule containing power. 250 mg per day (I believe - my suppliments are in the house. I am currently in the back yard taking it in liquid form). Oddly enough resveratrol is the most expensive of the suppliments that I take. If I recollect correctly $34 for a two month supply. BB
Posted 7/21/2011 10:17 PM (GMT 0)
Various research I've seen says that if you can get the supplement in a form closer to the natural ingredient it's usually better for your body. So instead of lycopene supplments I have a daily glass of tomato juice or V8 or "very veggie" (the whole foods version) and I put in a quarter to half teaspoon of turmeric (which is a source of curcumin.) I have come to enjoy the spicy taste. (Think of a tomato-based curry sauce)

For lycopene, it's said that cooked tomato products have greater bio-availability of lycopene than do raw tomatoes.
Posted 7/22/2011 3:50 AM (GMT 0)
Found this site while searching for info on B12, something that was recently recommended for my wife.

What a great find and wealth of info on any and all supplements. Just type in the supplement and the info flows about the pros, cons, benefits and warnings, etc.

Thought I would throw it out here for those that did not know it existed.

ods.od.nih.gov/

Sonny
Posted 7/22/2011 4:00 AM (GMT 0)

compiler said...
Fish Oil -- 2000 mg. daily
Calcium Citrate-- 500-1000 mg. with dinner or at bedtime
Vit. D-- 2000 units daily
Lycopene 10-30 mg. daily



How interesting that the more you hear, the more things remain the same.
and what do these primarily represent - AntiOxidants.
and when the previous mention was made about OPC, it was put down as sharmanism....rolleyes

said...
He then lists OPTIONAL Supplements:
Curcumin -- 900-1800 mg. daily
Green Tea-- drink tea or 500-800 mg. capsules daily
Modified Citris Pectin -- 5-15 gms. daily
Pomegranite Extract Pills from Pom Wonderful
Co-enzyme Q-10 200 mg daily if taking a statin



What I did find most interesting was...

said...
He then lists what to AVOID (unless you have a clear-cut deficiency):
Multivit., chondroitin, folic acid, iron, copper, zinc

I wonder what the issues are there.
I understood that ZINC is specifically said to work against PC

IMHO this is all saying that broad spectrum Anti-Oxidants have a lot to offer!

I would not be wasting my money of Pom-Wonderful when there are better broad-spectrum Anti-Oxidants like OPC available..

Curcumin is relatively specific as an Anti-Oxidant.. It is sometimes used as the basis for Resveratrol, but then Resveratrol does not always contain Curcumin.. It DOES get confusing.

OPC(xtra) contains concentrated extracts of Green Tea, Grape Seed, Grape Skin, Bilbury and Pycnogenol or Pine-Bark Extract plus some other goodies..

I know folk who are controlling cancer with just these supplements..nono
..
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Posted 7/22/2011 3:22 PM (GMT 0)
BB_Fan said... Thanks Mel. Interesting how the experts differ. Myers treatment program includes "not merely recommended" vit D, curcummin, pomegranate extract and resveratrol. Things like fish oil and lyc opene are recommended. BB   Building on BB-Fan's posting, while Myers and Scholz detailed recommendations are not identical , they are very similar .   One point which I feel needs broader emphasis is the warning against use of chondroitin   (which Myers has also warned about for a long time).  Based on the abundant evidence (search PubMed for chondroitin & prostate cancer), I'm disappointed that this warning is not more widely publicized for both men with prostate cancer and men who might get prostate cancer in the future…which is just about every man!  (Perhaps you've heard the saying that the only way for a man to avoid getting PC is to die early of something else.)   This stuff simply should not be marketed to men .   WebMD summarizes this way:   Preliminary research suggests that chondroitin may cause the spread or recurrence of prostate cancer .     This effect has not been shown with chondroitin sulfate supplements.   Still, until more is known, don’t take chondroitin sulfate if you have prostate cancer or are at high risk for developing it (you have a brother or father with prostate cancer).   Many men are impacted by this.   As we age, many of us who never considered ourselves to be athletes from the past are now exercising to help improve our longevity and quality of life .   For the subset of all men who are undergoing   PC treatment (especially RT or HT), exercise is proven to be an important complementary lifestyle modification to aid in reduction of side effects.   All of us, in our advanced years, have joints that are aching more than they did when we were younger, and many of us seek the relief from NSAIDs and joint supplements.   Counterintuitively, many skeletal problems are actually improved through exercise...for example, when I don't exercise for a long time, my back pain steadily increases; but it stays under good control when I do exercise.  Same with me knees. I had taken glucosamine chondroitin for probably 10 years before I discovered these risks…about 2-years ago I switched to glucosamine with chondroitin-sulfate which has not been shown to be an issue for PC.     edit :   fixed typo Post Edited (Casey59) : 7/22/2011 10:43:57 AM (GMT-6)
Posted 7/22/2011 4:06 PM (GMT 0)
It seems that vit d is highly recommended. Do any of the Doctors make a distinction between vit D & D-3?
Posted 7/22/2011 4:11 PM (GMT 0)
I just went to UOG (University of Google) and learned that vit D, D2, and D3 are all very different.  The one big difference is  Vitamin D3 is broken down by the body into a substance called calcitrol, which actually has very important cancer fighting properties.

Read more: Difference Between Vitamin D and Vitamin D3 | Difference Between | Vitamin D vs Vitamin D3 http://www.differencebetween.net/science/difference-between-vitamin-d-and-vitamin-d3/#ixzz1Sqp9mYGS
Posted 7/22/2011 5:14 PM (GMT 0)
my nutritionist, who works in a major oncology practice, says if you take vit D, definitely take the D-3 variety. But you should get a blood test periodically to see if you are actually D-deficient before taking a lot of it as a supplement. It's a relatively inexpensive test. Too much of it can cause problems. If the blood level is below 30 you are definitely deficient. In the 30-60 range people disagree; above 50-60 do not take supplements.
Posted 7/22/2011 5:59 PM (GMT 0)
Hi mr bill, To further “supplement” your posting about Vit D…for additional clarity, Vit D is what is measured by doctors in a blood chemistry test, and Vit D3 is the supplement that one takes to improve Vit D levels.      In another topic consistent with this thread's theme, now that it’s summer in the northern hemisphere, it’s watermelon time!   Hooray for watermelon for fighting PC!   There are multiple sources of lyc opene , but watermelon is my personal favorite. Watermelon is fat free and is a source of vitamins A, B6, C, and thiamin. Studies have shown that a cup and a half of watermelon contains about 9 to 13 milligrams of lyc opene .  On average, watermelon has about 40 percent more lyc opene than raw tomatoes.   Here’s a good USDA Research Services article:   LINK . What do I do to help "stack the odds in my favor"?   I bring a slice of watermelon to work on most days, but I also supplement my diet with a 10mg tab of lyc opene per day.
Posted 7/22/2011 6:11 PM (GMT 0)
I take 4000 IUs of D-3 twice a day but not always if I get exposure to sunlight as that will naturally produce D-3. The blood test to determing D-3 levels is OH-25-hydroxy. Recent studies consider the lower limit of 32.0 ng/mL to be a threshold for optimal health. 32 to 100 is the reference interval but more than a few PC oncologists suggest that those with PC may need more D-3 than those without the disease. Testing is important for this specific vitamin that may aid in fighting PC.
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