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Posted 7/27/2011 4:10 PM (GMT 0)
I just dont get how they can say that...

This was in a press release about "Post Robotic Prostate Surgery Continence and Pelvic Floor Muscles" - which may bof of interest to some here.

But how can they claim over "3,500 successful surgeries' - Do they mean the patient didn't die during or from surgery. I mean really.

And "a cure rate of 97" ? What does he do, only perform surgery on those who DONT have PCA?

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/post-robotic-prostate-surgery-continence-and-pelvic-floor-muscles-126243948.html

 

Posted 7/27/2011 4:24 PM (GMT 0)
"Ninety-six percent of Dr. Samadi's patients regain urinary continence and 87 percent regain sexual function in a year or less after the surgery."

I would like to see the details, and know exactly what the definitions of "sexual function" and "urinary continence" are.

I know I am looking for "successful" to include absolutely "Leak Free Pad Free" as the definition of urinary continence (i.e. once that is declared, I should never have to buy a single pad ever again). Yeah, I know - not going to happen, but would be nice.

 

Posted 7/27/2011 4:41 PM (GMT 0)
It all in the definition. 97% success can mean people were alive to go home the next day. or did not have Biochemical recurrence at one year mark.

On the other hand it could mean " Only 3% of Dr Samadi's patients die on the table or have Biochemical recurrence at one year."

It can also mean business is slowing down or it was time for the 6 month press release.

Jeff
Posted 7/27/2011 4:58 PM (GMT 0)
Slowing down?

If he did 1 a day it would take him 10 years to get to 3,500, and that would be doing them 7 days a week.
Posted 7/27/2011 5:22 PM (GMT 0)
Once again I am sure someone in the press took what he said out of context and then misprinted even that information.   I really don't believe Samadi would make that statement.  I think this is just another case of the the reporter being an idiot like all the others...
Posted 7/27/2011 5:34 PM (GMT 0)
Chris. It's HIS news release.
Posted 7/27/2011 5:43 PM (GMT 0)
That alone should tell you about the Dr's character IMO.
Posted 7/27/2011 6:37 PM (GMT 0)
>> I think this is just another case of the the reporter being an idiot like all the others...<<

if any one else called samadi an idiot you'd report them and have a conniption fit cool .

ed

 

Posted 7/27/2011 6:40 PM (GMT 0)
My aim isn't to pick on Dr. Samadi, it's sounds like he's very good at what he does. This thread made me curious about his numbers so I was searching to see if he defined his rates anywhere and I noticed that they vary.

For example, in February of this year his success rate was only 95%, his continance rate was slightly better at 97% vs. 96% and his sexual function potency was much lower at 81% vs. 87%.

http://www.smart-surgery.com/press_releases/international-robotic-prostatectomy-symposium-florida/

The more interesting bit of info, at the time he had performed 3,200 surgeries.  That's a difference of 300 over roughly 5 months. That's hard to believe so I back to an October press release that was a little most specific;

"To date, Dr. Samadi has performed over 2,100 robotic laparoscopic prostate surgeries, and the results are very pleasing for his patients. Since his arrival at Mount Sinai School of Medicine in May 2007, he has successfully performed over 500 robotic prostatectomy surgeries, averaging 40-50 new cases per month" 

Posted 7/27/2011 6:40 PM (GMT 0)
IMO the ONLY definition of "successful" is the trifecta,

1. Continent enough to not have to wear pads. Time frame flexible but I'd consider 6mos with 1 year max
2. Able to perform to mutual satisfaction with minimal/no meds.
3. No BCR for the rest of the patient's natural lifespan.

" Cure Rate" really can only have one definition, NO BCR for the rest of the patient's natural life span. Don't know how anyone can claim any percentage without finagling that one. BCR at any time = not cured.
Posted 7/27/2011 7:34 PM (GMT 0)
Samadi does 15 a week basically.

I never needed to wear a pad. I only had a few squirts four weeks out of surgery when doing weights. Not a single drop since and I'm 8 months aout.

I have sex with and without Cialis. Get a bigger bang with cialis but that gap is also closing every week. People who say things progress systematically in the first two years are right.

I know quite a lot of Samadi patients and they share my same story.

When I left for Rome two weeks ago I emailed everyone in my address book to give them my new email and he was the first to answer me. He's a wonderful surgeon.

I don't know anything about cure and what it means. I live from psa test to psa test always expecting the worse. It's not easy. But I know I chose wisely when I selected Dr. Samadi.
Posted 7/27/2011 9:48 PM (GMT 0)
Didn't Dr. Samadi do a video about doing 5 procedures a day?  I'll look for it if anyone wants it. Just asking.
Posted 7/27/2011 9:58 PM (GMT 0)
Haven't we heard enough about the good Dr. Samadi already? 
Posted 7/27/2011 10:11 PM (GMT 0)
Sounds like a great Dr, but I am skeptical of the numbers. Might have chosen him if I lived in that area.
Michael
Posted 7/27/2011 10:56 PM (GMT 0)
bob cape and 142, i would love for dr. spam to have to prove the statements he made, and the questions you two brought up. this doctors constant self-promotion and bragging is deeply disturbing to me. wish he was forced to prove these unbelievable claims of his. i don't know if he's a brilliant surgeon or not, he may very well be, but the rest of his stunts to me speaks low of his character. plus, speaking only for myself, i don't like this whole idea of a surgery mill.

among our own small group here at HW, look at the wide results we get with surgery guys, the side effects and quality of life issues vary so much from patient to patient. this whole biz of claiming 97% cure is almost obscene by itself. yes, what is his definition of a cure? on incontinence, to me, the standard should be no leaks, no pads, no drips, at least back to where you were before you were operated on. same with ED, if you didn't have any ED to start, to make his claim, then you shouldnt need ED drugs and pumps or injections when you are healed and cured by him. Are these the standards that he goes by? Kind of doubt that by sheer logic alone.

i prefer the humble doctors, the one's that dont need the constant pat on the backs and self-promotion personally.

david in sc
Posted 7/27/2011 11:11 PM (GMT 0)
I started this thread.
I get Google email Updates on all things prostate.
Hence, this is in my email in-box.
Samadi is insignificant to me, other than to honor him for being involved in the busiess of helping people live their lives. I understand he might be among thr best of the best.

His talent as a doctor isn't what prompted me to comment on this news release that found it's way into my in-box.

My motivation in bringing it up again is that the impact ON FOLKS WHO HAVE YET TO MAKE THEIR DECISIONS is effected when they hear a certain person has a 97% cure rate. And I also worry thatsome might turn this into a numbers game (3,500 means he DOESN'T REMEMBER YOUR NAME A MONTH LATER!!!!!).

Ultimately, I dont think that a press release claiming that level of success is fair to the young and old men who may be about to make the most difficult choice in their life, especially the QUARTER OF A MILLION men who will be told they have prostate cancer this year, and will have to SETTLE for a different doctor.. while knowing that the OTHER doctor cures 97% of his patients.

So Clocknut, to your point... if it's in my email box it could be in my son's email box. And if, god forbid, he has pca, then I dont want him looking at those claims as if they are realistic. Because they're not.

Bob Cape
Posted 7/27/2011 11:33 PM (GMT 0)
If we compare this doctor to the two most noted surgeons in the US we can see why many dispute his claims. Walsh's published cure rate is 85%, and it is said that he operates only on lower risk patients. Scardino's trifecta record is 64%. Samadi must be superman to achieve the results he claims. His claimes are so far out of the high range of the norm that they are laughable.

JT

Posted 7/27/2011 11:36 PM (GMT 0)
Good point, Bob.  Those of  us who've been on the site for a while have sort of talked this guy to death, but new people are always coming on board and his amazing claims do need to be challenged from time to time.

Somehow, he's become a spokesperson for prostate cancer stories on several news channels, and I'm always put off by his claims, as well as by his consistent message that his kind of surgery can give a man back his life, pretty much as it was prior to diagnosis.  I myself had DaVinci surgery with good outcomes, so I'm certainly not prejudiced against robotic surgery, but someone speaking about the current state of treatment for prostate cancer should cover ALL the bases:  not just Davinci surgery, but open surgery, radiation, new developments in hormone and chemo therapies and so on.  Failing to do that is, I think, doing a great disservice to men who are facing prostate cancer.

Posted 7/28/2011 1:58 PM (GMT 0)
Doc: I recommend this surgery for you
Patient: Will I be able to play the piano after?
Doc: Sure no problem with that
Patient: Great!, I always wanted to play the piano..

However you stand on the guy, there's so many variables in the issue of before and after results, that I can't see anyone making any definite claims as to rates of success. I went into surgery having already had ED problems developing, and I surely wouldn't expect to gain that back, yet, it seems that the stats used by this doc makes no allowance or even considers mentioning the fact that everyone of his patients didn't show at his door for surgery , bone dry and with an erection hard as a rock and gained at will. There's just to many 'buts' to our stories. Good for Pr, TV appearance signings and the bottom line, but its still just chaff on the radar screen to me.

Post Edited (James C.) : 7/28/2011 2:14:43 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 7/28/2011 5:53 PM (GMT 0)
Walks on water and all PCa communities are building the altar right now . If only I could touch his white gown!!!!! (LOL- not in violation of the religious rules)
This gloved one is a miracle of nature, not to be out done in any measurement. Clone him!
Posted 7/28/2011 8:40 PM (GMT 0)
zufus, i think he's so full of himself that he can't see the potential damage he is doing to those uneducatedd to our malady, and to those attempting to make tough treatment choices. very misleading stats at the least, wish he had to prove them, wouldn't doubt that some of this nonsense doesn't violate false advertisement laws. i thought vanity was one of the deadliest sins, lol.
Posted 7/28/2011 9:02 PM (GMT 0)
Here's some intel

http://www.roboticoncology.com/

http://www.mountsinai.org/profiles/david-b-samadi

 

Posted 7/28/2011 9:06 PM (GMT 0)
I don't doubt that Dr S is a good doctor, but probably not a great one. But he does have a great publicity machine! One thing we always have to be aware of when shopping for a doctor, is do we end up with a great doctor or a great salesman?

James, I enjoyed your joke:

James C said...
Doc: I recommend this surgery for you
Patient: Will I be able to play the piano after?
Doc: Sure no problem with that
Patient: Great!, I always wanted to play the piano.

I can can vouch for that. I can still play the piano ~ poorly cry
Posted 7/29/2011 12:09 PM (GMT 0)
Sag- thanks for links for others to checkout here is info from one of them:

.Why Choose Dr. Samadi?
Over 3,500 successful robotic prostatectomies
Fellowships in open, laparoscopic and robotic surgery
Developed his own advanced SMART surgery technique
Entire procedure is performed by Dr. Samadi
Minimal blood loss (no transfusion necessary)
Personalized care before and after the procedure
Always operates with the same team
96% of patients regain continence*
85% of patients regain sexual function*
Director of Mount Sinai's Robotic Fellowship Program
Fox News Medical "A-Team" expert

Ok-now for those 'cures' rate (97% or whatever was quoted in this thread), he has been doing LRRP for maybe around 9-10 yrs., patients can still have BCR or fail even 10+ years out from surgery with prior excellent psa numbers. So how does he or his staff measure 'cure rates', likely using 2-3 yr. data and saying if numbers look good this long...must be cured? Of course that is misleading and basically unethical to put forth to the public...others are also guilty of over statements...it is a sales game...and you are the 'used car' to be repaired in the shop (LOL). As John T pointed out Dr. Walsh whom was considered the best ever, and selects usually only Gleason 6 patients is in the 84% cure rate zone and he has a much longer track record maybe 20 years? I still love the video where he claims 5 patients a day...I can feel that kind of comp***ion! I haven't seen any of his endorsements or ads here in a while, hopefully those will return (-:
Posted 7/29/2011 1:28 PM (GMT 0)
I suspect that the cure rate is determined by the first psa test after surgery, if it's .10 or even .20 that one time, it's considered cured. I would bet that there's no followup and recording beyond that first one- at least for the cured claims database. On the other hand the continence figures are probably based on longer periods, maybe 6 mts. or a year. It's all in how he figures it. Until he explains how he bases his claims, which I figure won't ever happen unless under oath, then it's still his claim to make.
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