Risk of dieing from PC

Well since my surgery I'm trying to do my part. I have changed my diet in that I have cut out all red meat and almost all dairy. I still eat some chicken/turkey/fish but I buy the kind that supposedly has no hormones or antibiotics added. As for exercise I work out 5 to six days a week and today I went 20 miles on my mountain bike. 

PCA might not kill me but all this exercise might! 

Mike

Well I unintentionally duplicated this post, John beat me to it, so I deleted my thread and I am posting my thoughts here...

Great study and article in the New Prostate Cancer Infolink today about the continuing decrease in prostate cancer specific mortality. I have replied the comments field but it hasn't been moderated yet so i'll post my comment again here:

prostatecancerinfolink.net/2012/07/30/risk-of-dying-of-prostate-cancer-really-has-been-decreasing/

Tony Crispino, on July 30, 2012 at 12:56 pm said: (Your comment is awaiting moderation.)

There are two ways I look at this article. The first way is whether or not increasing health risk factors (dietary, obesity) have simply raised all cause death versus that we’re better at treating or discovering the disease sooner.

The second way I look at it is whether the influx of new diagnosis, and the amount of money put into prostate cancer research is due in large part to ~ prostate cancer screening. Ironic as it sounds, I have always wondered the point of whether we have seen great breakthroughs in treating prostate cancer due in large part by the PSA screening era. A theory that more men being diagnosed brings us more money for treatment and research that we may otherwise have never seen.

I suspect much of each is involved in reducing the mortality rates in prostate cancer cases. But I also suspect that business thrives best when a market is growing. The PSA test gave the prostate cancer market a huge boost. I don’t think there’s any room to question that. Now the question is, if we reduce the number of men diagnosed each year ~ will the mortality rates maintain their decline?

One more thought about preventable death ~ it isn’t…

Tony

Has anyone ever seen distribution statistics of Gleason scores?

Thanks

Jim

Montee,

I was low risk as well. I went from low risk to advanced PC quickly.

Although men in both Sweden and the United States die of other causes more often than of prostate cancer this study clearly states that the men in Sweden (even with the benefit of a healthier diet) die of prostate cancer at a rate of 2.2 to 1 over men in the US. The decline in PCa deaths is more related to early detection and effective treatment than to diet improvement. The use of PSA testing in Sweden is much lower than in the US as the result of this study shows. Yes, eat a more sensible diet lower in animal fat and more abundant in vegetables and fruits, but remember to check your PSA periodically to avoid an advanced stage diagnosis and reduce your risk of dying from PCa.

RalphV

TC-LasVegas said...


One more thought about preventable death ~ it isn’t…

Tony

That is the one sure thing about life Tony ------- it is invariably fatal.

Phenom,

I think you read their conclusion wrong. They didn't say that lifestyle changes made you less likely to die of prostate cancer. Instead, they said that, since the majority of prostate cancer patients will die of something else, and since mortality from those other causes can be reduced by lifestyle changes, then treatment of men with prostate cancer should include lifestyle changes so the risk of non-PC death is reduced...

so they can live long enough for the PC to get them after all, I guess...

This sort of study is almost meaningless. Under pressure to reduce treatment costs researchers do studies that show that most men with PC will die of some other cause and, since treating PC is expensive, they decide that the money would be better spent hectoring PC patients to eat their broccoli.

Why even bother to say in a report about the mortality from prostate cancer that improving your overall health is good for you. As we used to say in school--Duhhhh? Exactly what health condition would this NOT apply to? And let's see: "Most of the men who died...were diagnosed before the widespread use of the PSA test." Followed by: "Prostate cancer does kill and if you pick it up early, it can be treated" and then, the obvious conclusion: "Many men don’t need to be screened." Huh?

Tony-

That is deep. I'm going to have to think on that.

Tony,

I don't fear my spelling mistakes; I just accept that I'm a lousy speller and thank god for spell check. As a Mod you should put in the word for a spell check on HW. I would never try to spell a word like that.

well I look at it this way, If I give up a good steak, a nice bottle of wine, and all the things I like in the hope that my cancer will not return, I am kidding myself, I rode my bike 36 kilometers twice a week even into my sixties, walked, worked out, still got Pca.

So I don't believe for one minute that changing your lifestyle (unless you are morbidly obese) will make a bit of difference to your Prostate cancer, but I respect those that do.

At my age, don't know what is around the corner, so I enjoy every day, and am on a delicious Mediterranian diet, and have been for 50 years, my wife is Greek...lol

Cheers.

Mal.

Casey, I've never disputed that, even though I think we sometimes confuse cause and effect.

By that I mean that people who are genetically gifted with good health naturally tend to be more active and exercise more, because they feel good and are able.  In other words, at least some of the time it isn't the exercise that promotes the longevity and activity....it's the God-given good health the promotes the exercise and the longevity.

But, yes, I've always believed that we all should be as active as our individual bodies will allow us to be, and that there are rewards for doing that.  But, on the other hand, we're not all going to be gifted in return with long life like Jack Lalanne.