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Posted 6/26/2013 3:36 AM (GMT 0)
Discuss among your selves, it ain't religion or politics, no buzz words or spin allowed. Its a factor in this battle, like it or not…… kiergagaard admittedly made a friend of melancholy. Who's your friend?
Posted 6/26/2013 3:47 AM (GMT 0)
who doesn't want to be healed?

Sitting in bed laughing with my wife watching this is healing

www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKxpJA9O0so

knowing i'll be sitting there in a few days even more healing. Shame my paesano there lost.
Posted 6/26/2013 3:57 AM (GMT 0)
Thats the question isn't it davidg. If you think its silly, talk to me in 30 years, I' ll be around…. as will you. Think Grasshopper, think……. eyes to see ears to hear PS wasn't it you said that said ' I embrace my depression".. Oh yeah, no "yeah buts" allowed either. There are foks right now on this forum, that know exactly what I mean and that knowledge does not indict, but reveals….. the smart ones will keep that knowledge in their hearts, less they are rendered. Me Im stupid but not dumb.
Posted 6/26/2013 4:01 AM (GMT 0)
It's been our mode of thinking. It won't have worked 20 years, but 18 is close ;-). Just this week are we truly having to face some reality.....but not yet giving up.
Posted 6/26/2013 4:02 AM (GMT 0)
i don't think it's silly at all.

I hope to be around, 30 is a long time for me, however.
Posted 6/26/2013 4:13 AM (GMT 0)
Passages you and yours have transcended this dynamic, trust me on that one. You give up much, my new friend. You know once you know some one you can never be unknown. Nuff awrredy, time for some tacos, beer and the Graham Norton show on BBC. As Davidg knows, across the pond has the best TV. Much Aloha to the two of you, or more properly the one of youse. Aint that right, aint that just absolutely right. Logo
Posted 6/26/2013 4:14 AM (GMT 0)
I don't get the question? Only seems to be one obvious answer, so what's the trick?
Posted 6/26/2013 4:35 AM (GMT 0)
No trick Purgatory, its been asked before. Its an open question, be happy with your individual answer, I mean if its yes, then its yes. The question is simple, the answer is more complicated. I like your answer, yes is your answer from what I am reading. Oh my answer is yes also,made that one the day of diagnosis. Time will prove me right as it will you. I may define time differently. Ok tacos, beer, graham and of course, Sharlyn, the Love of my life. Break time from the forum, gots to punch the time clock and get in that water early. Morning Hi going to low tide after 3hours , reef sinking, waves a rising. Hope you and yours have a nice evening together, Logo
Posted 6/26/2013 4:39 AM (GMT 0)
Graham Norton is a very good show. We try to catch it when possible. But it's not on BBC America right now, do you have BBC VPN?

Our DVD library is 80% BBC shows.
Posted 6/26/2013 4:49 AM (GMT 0)
Logo, once again, I don't get your "logo". Only see your question as a literal one, so who would answer no. But in the end, whether one is ultimately healed (assumed you are talking our PC journeys) or not, has nothing to do with an answer to your question. I am sure most, if not all, of the 30k men dying a year from PC deaths would have liked the answer to have turned out to be "yes", but for them, it was "no".

But interesting thought regardless, its hard for me to think in the abstract.

david
Posted 6/26/2013 6:51 AM (GMT 0)
Purgatory It definitly is a literal question, tho the dynamics behind could be abstract. It is not a new concept that some folks hang on to their illness's as " friends " consequently hindering the healing that could happen if they did not, arguably, in an unconscious way. But some times consciously. I will admit they are less likely to do so in a purely terminal situation. But that in itself could lead to the terminus sooner than later. Now I am the "paranoid" of the forum, so don't any one think I have any body in mind. The thread is not personal, but don't kid yourself, I say that rhetorically, not to you personally Purgatory, this concept plays a role in healing or not healing. Im just curious what others think of this dynamic.
Posted 6/26/2013 7:31 AM (GMT 0)
I've been reading Kierkegaard for 40 years, and now his name shows up on a prostate cancer forum.  Who'd have thought it. SK's method, "Float like a bee, sting like a butterfly", was the reverse of the great boxer Muhammad Ali's: "Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee". 

Post Edited (Tim G) : 6/26/2013 1:40:50 AM (GMT-6)

Posted 6/26/2013 7:56 AM (GMT 0)
For some, being truly "healed" only comes at the great cost of "departure."
In that scenario, we'll gladly accept surviving, a little unwell.
Posted 6/26/2013 11:42 AM (GMT 0)
MsWW beat me to my answer. The statement that "time heals all wounds", although trite, is also perfectly true. But I am not yet ready for that sort of healing and I continue to hope for better. Which is also an answer.
Posted 6/26/2013 12:09 PM (GMT 0)
I think we need an official LOGO TRANSLATOR for this Forum

Mel

Posted 6/26/2013 12:26 PM (GMT 0)
LOL.....have to agree Mel...there was a time when I thought I understood his posts but this one has me baffled.
Posted 6/26/2013 12:39 PM (GMT 0)
Actually, he is being unusually clear today, but his subject is abstruse. He seems to maintain a fairly constant level of indecipherability. When talking about simple subjects he throws in an odd mixture of unusual words and Hawaiian slang, but today he is conveying imponderable philosophical concepts in a fairly straightforward way.
Posted 6/26/2013 12:45 PM (GMT 0)
I guess peter.....maybe Im a little slow today.
Posted 6/26/2013 12:56 PM (GMT 0)
I think Logo was asking if anyone has "made friends" with their illness.  I've read novels in which the protagonist would pause and look for a familiar pain, perhaps angina or even something worse, and feel almost a sense of relief when he finds it's still there, just like an old friend.  The pain  has become their inseparable companion, and even if they would consciously prefer that they did not have the pain, at some level of their being they found it reassuring that it was still with them.

As Peter said, it's definitely an abstruse concept, but I think it has a degree of psychological truth to it.

Peter Paul and Mary had a song where they said they dig rock and roll music when the words don't get in the way.  I think in this case Logo's words got in the way.

Posted 6/26/2013 1:32 PM (GMT 0)
Sorry, no disrespect intended. I spent my entire working life in the exact and the literal, my brain won't allow me to play word games and coded messages and philosophical clips.

I personally know of no one, not a single person, who wouldn't wish their PC experience away in a heartbeat if some genie gave them 3 wishes to use.

I don't do well with riddles, just say what you mean, in a way that anyone can understand what you are asking - that's what works for me. In return, you will get more chances of a straight answer.

david
Posted 6/26/2013 1:51 PM (GMT 0)
Peter:

I think some of the Logo-abstruseness is wearing off on you!

Mel

Posted 6/26/2013 2:29 PM (GMT 0)
The Existentialsts like Kiergagaard bored me in college. They still do today. Just sayin' :)
Posted 6/26/2013 2:46 PM (GMT 0)
Well said, Mike, your post actually made me laugh out loud, a hard act to accomplish.

david
Posted 6/26/2013 3:12 PM (GMT 0)
I think clocknut has gotten to the heart of this, possibly the point that Logoslidat was trying to make:

"I've read novels in which the protagonist would pause and look for a familiar pain, perhaps angina or even something worse, and feel almost a sense of relief when he finds it's still there, just like an old friend ... "

Very strangely, there does seem to be a certain psychological reassurance for people, a certain stability, in routine and sameness, even when that routine and sameness involves what would universally be considered an unpleasant thing.

Perhaps it's because we are all ultimately creatures that crave predictability, even when that predictability involves pain, or the memory of it.

Strange that there would actually be a sort of feeling of comfort that is generated by an unpleasant condition. How complex we are!
Posted 6/26/2013 3:15 PM (GMT 0)
81,

I only wish I could erase some of the physical horror and pain I have suffered the past 4 1/2 years. But since the worse of my issue, the growing and spreading chronic pain is still at large, kind of hard to. My body hasn't had the luxury of moving on, because my journey is ever growing and growing.

david
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