Suppositories for BPH

I'm wondering if you couldn't accomplish the same thing just using your finger. Mix the iodine with something like organic coconut oil, put some on your finger, and insert. With prostate inflammation, I'm thinking the finger might "fit" better than the suppository. I guess a suppository might hold more medication and may be a little less messy, but I imagine both ways would work.

I have been experiencing prostate swelling and discomfort ever since I had a dre for PCA-3 a couple of months ago. Using a lubricant helped some. Yesterday I tried Prep H and had relief within a couple of hours.

Just thinking - I wonder if mixing iodine with Prep H might work? I've got some lugol's, so I might give it a try.

Thank you for your post Allen – it is a salutary warning about self-medication.

I am using a lugols solution of 10% Potassium Iodide and 5% Iodine. Since your post I have been doing some calculations on how much of this is safe to use. Adult daily limit of iodine is given as 1100 mcg or 1.1 mg. It is not clear how taking it anally affects the limit – I suspect that it would probably make the limit higher, but that is only speculation. Each drop of the lugols solution contains 6.5mg iodine (6 times the daily limit!), so basically I have to use just one drop of a solution of 1 part lugols to 5 parts distilled water to be safe.

I made the suppositories by using virgin coconut oil with the (undiluted) lugols added and put the mixture into the fingers of a rubber glove. My initial efforts have just been to test whether iodine made any difference. I will now have to test whether such a tiny amount of the solution makes a difference before I graduate to using a proper mold.

My first effort was very ham-fisted – the iodine sank to the bottom of the liquid VCO, but I now have some useful pieces of solid VCO to which I can add the diluted mixture to see if it makes a difference to my sleep. Adding it this way I can be precise about the dose.

With respect to your post Rich, if you were to insert the iodine directly by using your finger, it would be very imprecise as to just how much iodine would make it into your system. You would have to use a very weak solution to be safe. I like the suppository approach better but I am going to have to improve the technique.

I was hoping someone had already worked out the best approach to making suppositories and could advise me. My present approach is to do the addition of the medication in three steps – have a solid bullet-shaped piece of VCO; make a hole into which the drop of iodine solution is added; cover with Semi-liquid VCO and cool.

I had not heard of Proscar or Avodart but a little research shows that they are drugs which come with a list of warnings. I would feel the same reluctance with these as I feel using voltarin which works brilliantly for me. At least iodine is natural and should not be dangerous if used carefully within limits.

Womba said...
At least iodine is natural and should not be dangerous if used carefully within limits.

Iodine does not occur in its elemental and most toxic form in nature-- it is a highly reactive and caustic substance, and is never taken internally. Iodides occur in small quantities as part of natural salt and in ocean fish, seafood, etc. Taken orally and in those quantities, it is necessary for good health, and our bodies have evolved to absorb it orally and excrete any excess. You are circumventing the body's natural defences. Anal absorption is typically much higher than oral absorption. And enteric tissue is much more easily damaged than skin or the mucus-coated stomach tissue.

As for "natural" -- well, strychnine is natural - that doesn't mean that it's healthful to ingest.

Here's the toxicology profile if you're interested:
http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/toxprofiles/tp158-c3.pdf

The effects of oral iodine ingestion acute overload include death, and it's not a pretty death: "Symptoms of toxicity that have been observed in lethal or near-lethal poisonings have included abdominal cramps, bloody diarrhea and gastrointestinal ulceration, edema of the face and neck, pneumonitis, hemolytic anemia, metabolic acidosis, fatty degeneration of the liver, and renal failure." (section 3.2.2.1)

The effects of sub-acute systemic accumulation from chronic oral ingestion of iodides have "adverse effects on a wide variety of other organ systems can result from iodine-induced disorders of the thyroid gland, including disturbances of the skin, cardiovascular system, pulmonary system, kidneys, gastrointestinal tract, liver, blood, neuromuscular system, central nervous system, skeleton, male and female reproductive systems, and numerous endocrine organs, including the pituitary and adrenal glands." (section 3.2.2.2)

Other adverse effects include autoimmune disease, immune reaction/fever, allergies, skin reactions (3.2.2.3), neuromuscular disorders (3.2.2.4), and thyroid cancer(3.2.2.7).

I'm sorry I cannot be supportive of your endeavor. I thought it would be irresponsible if I let it go without comment.

i'm reminded of the fellow who claimed to be performing his own DREs.......

ed

 

Womba,

The Gat Goren stuff is not interesting to most here, so by going off those threads, you are leaving the area of common interest for GG guys, and as a result, you can expect some extremely skeptical responses from those who have never had interest in those threads, but try to be here for new PCa folks posting the first time.

Your posting of an off-site link in your first post is also at the borderline of our rules.

Perhaps you would be best served by keeping the discussion in the GG thread.

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The best hit in a Google search of the relatively obscure topic of ‘iodine supplementation’ turned up in the 4/2013 Healingwell thread of Gat Goren. It was only after looking up ‘Gat Goren’ that I realised the discussion the search had found was completely off topic to GG and much closer to this thread. In fact I posted on the GG thread referring to this thread in the hope that those people who had contributed there would join in. When that failed to happen, possibly because BPH is seen as trivial in comparison to Prostate Cancer, this thread was always doomed to a short life. For this reason I was completely bewildered as to why I should be threatened with censorship because of this link.

The other useful hit in my Google search was a very old thread in another forum, several years old in fact. Perhaps the threat was more understandable in this case - you probably don’t want people to desert your forum for another - if you did not realize the thread was so old. Remember there is very little information available on this topic, even on the internet.

I find it difficult to believe that the threat of censorship was because of the reasons given – no bad language or abuse - which has me searching around for an alternative explanation. I know how all embracing US commerce is and perhaps I did speak of products from two US drug companies in less than flattering terms. A search reveals these products do receive glowing endorsements by veteran members in various other Healingwell threads.