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Posted 4/4/2016 3:34 PM (GMT 0)
Received current PSA today at Urologists office.
<0.01 Yes, that's a lower than sign.

Changed lab for this test, from VA, to a local major hospital.
Changed diet and took several supplements during the past 90 days.

Needless to say I'm happy with a <0.01, but uncertain on cause/reason for PSA drop.
Posted 4/4/2016 4:07 PM (GMT 0)
Frankly my opinion is Lab's aren't as accurate as they make you believe. Not saying your recent test is inaccurate, but more saying your prior ones were....
Posted 4/4/2016 4:10 PM (GMT 0)
Part of the reason nobody should ever make a decision in this area based upon only one data point.
Posted 4/4/2016 4:34 PM (GMT 0)
Sagittarian - Great news & hope it is confirmed by subsequent tests.

I'm interested in more detail of the diet you've chosen - could you share that?

Best -
Wilderness
Posted 4/4/2016 5:01 PM (GMT 0)

Wilderness said...
Sagittarian - Great news & hope it is confirmed by subsequent tests.

I'm interested in more detail of the diet you've chosen - could you share that?

Best -
Wilderness

Yes indeed, I also would be very interested in the specifics of what you have done. If I understand correctly that your Dec 15 reading was .08, assuming <.01 is the highest possible reading that would be a <.01 of .009, that would be over an 85- 90% drop.

We have 2 variables:
1:diet
2: lab

Which one, or a little of both? Either way, I know you are over joyed and I am the same way for you. That is some serious good news! Keep us posted, and share some more details on what you have been doing.

Which one, or a little of both?

Post Edited (BillyBob@388) : 4/4/2016 6:52:17 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 4/4/2016 6:53 PM (GMT 0)
In such a series .03 .04 .03 .08 <.01 it is the .08 that sticks out as the anomaly (the lab failure?). The other results could be the normal fluctuation of the ultra sensitive test. Even with your pathology and 5 years since surgery you have some cells in the body making very smal amount of PSA, and these aren’t necessarily cancer cells. In my opinion 90 days with any diet or supplementary will not kill those cells. With that I am not saying the diet change isn't good, it is and is worthy of following. What is your new diet?
Posted 4/4/2016 8:19 PM (GMT 0)
I agree with all your comments. Urologist stated nothing below .1 is reliable.

Diet change:
1. Reduced red meat, maybe once a month now.
2. Replaced sugar in coffee with Organic Maple Sugar.
3. 2-5 times a week, freshly prepared Organic carrot, apple, & red beet juice

Other:
1. Stopped taking Vitamin D, started taking 3 capsules of Cod Liver Oil daily.
2. Started 81mg low dose aspirin daily
3. Done only once. Colloidal Silver(10 PPM) 16 Fluid Ounces, one small sip daily, lasted about 4-5 weeks, sip was about 1-3 Teaspoons.

I am uncertain any of it worked, however, risks were very low vs climbing PSA.
I tend to lean towards a better/more accurate lab at hospital.
Retest in 6 months
Posted 4/4/2016 8:24 PM (GMT 0)
Aside from agreeing that the .08 was an anomoly, which i agree with, take the <.01 and run with it. Seems like you are all good, congrats on being stunned!!! ;-)
Posted 6/29/2016 12:55 PM (GMT 0)
Just had PSA test done at VA, 0.06
<0.01 at Local hospital 3 months prior.
Posted 6/30/2016 1:00 AM (GMT 0)
It would be interesting to immediately test at the local hospital and see if you get <, like the last test.
Either way, it certainly seems like the Prostate Cancer, if there is any at all, is far from running amok. There just doesn't seem to be a trend.
And yet the research often spoken of by us here points to .03 being the trigger for SRT. Your situation seems to contradict that.
Posted 7/1/2016 1:01 PM (GMT 0)
Pratoman, tested every 6 months at VA, and every 6 months at Urologist. There staggered, so every 3 months PSA test. Next PSA test at local Hospital. Explained to VA doc about the <.01 and got a
deer in the headlight look, same look Urologist gave me when I explained the 0.08.

Now I go to the Urologist (local hospital PSA test) in 3 months with the VA's 0.06. Who knows what the local hospital PSA test will be.

Both said should stay with one lab, yea which one ?
I'm doing both until something makes sense, <.01 and 0.08 is too much of a variance.
Posted 7/2/2016 7:19 PM (GMT 0)

Sagittarian said...
Pratoman, tested every 6 months at VA, and every 6 months at Urologist. There staggered, so every 3 months PSA test. Next PSA test at local Hospital. Explained to VA doc about the <.01 and got a
deer in the headlight look, same look Urologist gave me when I explained the 0.08.

Now I go to the Urologist (local hospital PSA test) in 3 months with the VA's 0.06. Who knows what the local hospital PSA test will be.

Both said should stay with one lab, yea which one ?
I'm doing both until something makes sense, <.01 and 0.08 is too much of a variance.

And think how much it gets our attention if we go from .01 to .02 or .03, we maybe even start considering some treatment options, when there are fluctuations like this. When maybe it means nothing or simply indicates some lab variance. Possibly a variance even within the same lab, or in this case with different labs. Which one are you supposed to believe?

I agree with Prato that it would be mighty interesting to have an immediate test at the other lab to see how they compare, without having to consider the possibility that you might actually have increased over several months due to who knows what( or for that matter actually decreased). That way if there was a big difference you could just say: OK it is simply a difference in the labs. Though, that would still not tell you which one you should believe. You are looking at a minimum variation of 8 to 1. Good grief! It does seem that much variation is unlikely to be your actual swings or ups and downs, seems most likely to be a lab issue, to me anyway. But what do I know? Nothing.
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