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Posted 5/20/2016 5:51 PM (GMT 0)
I have read about the benefits of aged garlic extract supplements in heart disease, and was considering starting to take it. Then i started reading about how it raises testosterone. So i am a bit hesitant.

Any thoughts?
Posted 5/20/2016 5:58 PM (GMT 0)
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Posted 5/20/2016 6:07 PM (GMT 0)
Why are you worried about raising T levels? I'd be more worried about the effect on breath and BO. Of course, it's useful if you're under attack by vampires.

Here are a couple of questionable garlic studies to ease your anxiety:
jnci.oxfordjournals.org/content/94/21/1648.long
/www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23991965

- Allen
Posted 5/20/2016 6:13 PM (GMT 0)
ok, yes. Why are you hesitant about raising testosterone? You had low-risk prostate cancer, and because of that (or despite that) you've had your prostate removed. Maybe you've got some other repulsion for testosterone, but since it wasn't mentioned here, I can't imagine what your hesitation is.

Moreover, how much incrementally more testosterone do you think you get from garlic tabs? Again, you didn't provide more info here, but if your diet is like the "Standard American Diet," your heart will probably be better off cutting down on red meat and eating more fish. Salmon is a good option...but be aware that in a 2000 study published in “Nutrition and Cancer,” Japanese researchers found that polyunsaturated fats such as those found in salmon were correlated with higher testosterone levels more than any other type of fat. Save your heart, and boost your testosterone (although probably not by much) by eating delicious wild salmon.
Posted 5/20/2016 6:18 PM (GMT 0)
Anything that slows heart disease over worrying about its effects on your prostate cancer would be the right course...would be my thinking. I think I think that because I don't think you have one prostate cancer cell anywhere in your body as I type this. And I don't believe it can come back once it's been totally eradicated from a man's body.
Posted 5/20/2016 6:20 PM (GMT 0)
TA, thanks for the studies.
He reason for my caution (I wouldn't call it anxiety, my reputation belies me lol), is having read here of guys on HT, who when the went off HT , saw their T levels rise, commensurate with a rise in PSA.

Being a (3+4), I'm just wondering, about Increased Testosterone levels effect on a few grade 4 cells that might (or might not) be floating around somewhere.

Just being cautious. The studies do provide some comfort.
Posted 5/20/2016 6:25 PM (GMT 0)

island time said...
Anything that slows heart disease over worrying about its effects on your prostate cancer would be the right course...would be my thinking. I think I think that because I don't think you have one prostate cancer cell anywhere in your body as I type this. And I don't believe it can come back once it's been totally eradicated from a man's body.

IT, I like to beleive you are correct, That I don't have any cancer cells in my body. But we've all seen guys with my pathology with recurrence, 1, 2, 5 years after surgery, so I'm just being cautious.

In any case I do agree with your comment that heart disease trumps PC worries, so I will probably go ahead and start taking the supplements. TAs study links were helpful to read.
Posted 5/20/2016 6:37 PM (GMT 0)

Pratoman said...
...having read here of guys on HT, who when the went off HT , saw their T levels rise, commensurate with a rise in PSA


Uh...HT (ADT) is chemical castration. It lowers testosterone...on purpose. When you stop suppressing your androgens with HT, eventually your testosterone will (in almost all cases) go up.

A low-risk PC case like yours in not the same as systemic PC. "One size PC treatment does not fit all."
Posted 5/20/2016 6:50 PM (GMT 0)
I presume the testosterone effect is not significant, correct? Let's say it boosts your T from 400 to 500 (which sounds like a lot)--I'd be shocked if that would really increase the fuel for any cancer cells in the highly unlikely event you even have any. I think it's a different scenario coming off HT when your T is practically in negative numbers. (BTW, I get my T checked regularly after my HT and it seems to be rather variable and can bounce around a lot anyway.)

I'm just surmising, of course, and I'm not basing this on anything scientific. But if it has a definite heart benefit (which you'd know better than I do) that would seem to outweigh the PC risk. Or at least that's my guess.
Posted 5/20/2016 9:45 PM (GMT 0)
Michael thanks for your comments. Your last sentence is part of the reason I am going to go ahead and start the garlic.
Posted 5/21/2016 1:38 AM (GMT 0)
Here are a couple more to unfurrow your brow:

www.jurology.com/article/S0022-5347(16)30307-X/abstract
/www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4544840/
Posted 5/21/2016 2:27 AM (GMT 0)
Thanks Allen. The I furrow your brow comment made me laugh out loud
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