Can Prostate Cancer be Controlled Through Diet and Exercise?

Thank you very much cashless and I will prepare and asnswe all of your questions and I DO appreciate your help and attention, I really do.

Cashless,
I have a question that I never understood what you meant by it.
When you say let’s say you drank coffe right after breakfast, you always say “ this
Killed my diet”. The question is if you this once in a period of one month diet test, does
This one single time kills your diet? And the whole month is gone and you have to start
Allover?
I am not advocating cheating, I mean if something happened by mistake.

Thanks KevC
I do agree with you and my wife is very worried that I am not getting good nutrition
I stopped olive oils since dr. Caldwell esselysten advocates no oil for heart health. It’s true, I only
Eat, veggies, rice and beans at dinner. I eat nuts in the morning only with oatmeal. May be I should include
More nuts at lunch and dinner too. By the way you say “uncooked”
Oatmeal but cashless diet is “cooked”.

Cashless, thanks for your answer. I didn’t forget about the answers to your questions
I just need to ask my wife again how much she puts in my breakfast.
Now, one question please regarding iron. I do not take any supplements. I only eat veggies, rice and beans
I do not eat spinach anymore because of iron. I can’t stop eating beans because it’s
All the protein I am getting. You see how difficult this is.

Cashless
Here is my breakfast,my wife just showed me
2 ounce of uncooked steel cut oatmeal, she adds 2 ounce of unsweetened almond milk and less than
2 ounce of water so she will be able to cook ok it. By the time, I get it. It’s very dry after she cooks it
- we will modify the dinner and add humus and small cup of salad and small cup of rice
And start the meal with the humus and salad.
Thank you very much for your patience cashless

AK, about breakfast, you are using 4 oz of liquid with 2 oz of steelcut
oatmeal. I used 2.5 oz oatmeal with 4 oz water and got an actual PSA
decline. But I also got some stomach/intestinal cramping. So, this last
test period, I used 2 oz of oatmeal with the same 4 oz water, making
it a little softer, and I got rid of the cramps, BUT, I got a PSA rise. So,
you are right on the edge. My solution is to use the ratio of water to
oatmeal that works (4/2.5) and apply it to reduced oatmeal amounts
until the cramps go away. It looks like 2 oz oatmeal with 3.2 oz water
will work for me (very slight cramping, some of the time).

I make these measurements very carefully. It sounds unbelievable,
but I have a number of test results involving oatmeal and liquids.

Starting lunch and dinner with raw vegetables and hummus (and now
adding a few walnuts to it) has allowed the rest of those meals to be
anything else within the rules (vegan, wild seafood, soy, no fast carbs,
and watch the iron).

I tried soaking steelcut oatmeal and a good diet crashed and burned.
The PSADT went from 104 months to 7.8 months after presoaking.

I never tried eating steelcut oatmeal without cooking. Let me correct
that, I am trying it as I type. Taking a bite every three minutes. No
question, after 6 minutes, the glycemic index is somewhere between
quartz and granite. But, I could do this if dental bills do not exceed
$15-20,000. per year.

Now, as for impact on PSA. I see a good size move in the right direction.
How does one do this, you're asking. Very straight forward. I weighted
myself before and after the small bowl of cereal, then subtracted out the
weight of the cereal (but not the bowl). I attributed any weight difference
to a loss or gain in PSA. Then I divided by my estimated blood volume in mL.
I loss 50 gms/mL, man, that's a lot PSA. Author's note: I probably
shouldn't have taken a bathroom break in the middle of the calculation.

Seriously, I did try uncooked steelcut while I was typing, and it would likely
lower my PSA with the rest of my diet unchanged. The question would be
cramping issues. I may give it a test run sometime.

AK, about the 8 oz of soy milk - - - keep it away from carbs like rice.

KevC, all ideas on diet are welcomed here. I never heard of uncooked
steelcut, but I like the idea. It's actually the last stop on the train I was on,
using less and less liquids in the preparation of oatmeal. I expect that the
impact on PSA would be highly positive. Again, the question for me would
be how much can I eat before cramping issues take over.

Cashless

Agree with Billybob. You need to do your own experimenting, use Cashless as a guide, but try different things. Your genes are different than Cashless. Diet and exercise is but one factor among many,

Ak123 said...
I totally agree with you billybob and pratoman and I do
Apologize for cashless if we said anything and do appreciate all his help always. I will try to do my own testing. Thank you guys again for listening.

Hey, Brother, I don't think you need to apologize to anyone. You are just understandably anxious to grab hold some of that Cashless magic. No easy thing to do, as it would be easy to miss some detail about an entire diet. And you are wondering what you are doing wrong - what you have missed- as it is not working as well for you, yet. But I understand your anxiety.

Of course, to repeat, even if you manage to mirror Cashless exactly, and assuming his diet is really the reason he is holding so well(I suspect it is), does not guarantee it will do the job for you. Even if some variation of that diet might do it for you.

You know what I wish? That there was a cheap, easy way to measure blood insulin at home. Any one know if there is?

Thank you very much Billybob for understanding and your kind words.

cashlessclay said...
Concerning the Ornish study, the experimental group did lower their
PSA and total cholesterol, but the triglycerides were up slightly,
and the HDL was down. Very unexpected. See Table 3 in reference
below.

My diet and exercise results had the triglycerides falling from 239 to
53.5 mg/dL and the HDL increasing from 39 to 61. A trig/HDL ratio
above 4 is considered a powerful independent indicator for coronary
heart disease. Under 2 is desirable. My ratio went from over 6 to under 1.
I believe I have seen others here on HW get significant improvements.

Two points here:
1. Any one concerned with coronary heart disease should may attention
to this diet and exercise discussion.

2. Any ideas why the Ornish program has relatively poor results for
triglycerides and HDL?

/www.ornish.com/wp-content/uploads/Intensive_Lifestyle_Changes_and_Prostate_Cancer.pdf

Cashless

Re: question/point #2 above: Yes, I have some ideas. Indeed, I would say it was not at all unexpected, or rather not by me. In fact, I would expect cutting fats to have poor results with HDL, and I'd expect increasing the % of net carbs to raise Triglycerides(TG). And most assuredly if total calories remained even close to the same. Now keeping in mind that overall clinical results might well(or not) be a totally different matter than are the lab results, I have read many(and posted some here in the past) studies showing the exact opposite of the conventional wisdom relating to some heart disease related lab tests when it comes to the amount of fat in the diet as well as carbs. This was backed up by my personal experience with myself and at least 1 friend. Also, I am not sure, but I think Pratoman- who has long running issues with high TGs, can also testify that those are reduced more when he way cuts his carbs than even any prescription med has been able to do.

IOW, while a vegan approach may well have some overall benefit for our PCa fight, perhaps by removing some carcinogens, I would absolutely expect any reduction of fat to decrease HDL and at the same time a relative increase of net carb to increase TGs. It works almost every time. To the degree that I'd say that any relative increase of net carb is a virtual guarantee of either an outright increase in TGs or at least no reduction.

In my own experience, 6 months of various low carb eating schemes- with no reduction at all in meat or fat on an absolute basis, maybe even an increase on an absolute basis, and certainly an increase in fat(and reduction of carbs) on a % basis, doubled HDL and cut TGs 75%(with a slight increase in LDL and Total Cholesterol, the last mostly due to >HDL). Now, was this reduction in TG and increase in HDL actually beneficial against heart disease? And/or is the fat increase harmful in our fight against cancer even though it slashes these heart health #s? That I do not know. But those changes(in those #s) are expected by me, and I expect the opposite approach to do nothing to help either HDL or TG, just as the Ornish trial showed.

You, OTOH, have had great improvements in all areas. However, I suspect that many beneficial changes I saw were due to a reduction of insulin directly related to the reduction in net carbs in my diet. A vegetarian or vegan can avoid all meat, and still eat a very high(or even higher) net carb load depending on what they replace the meat with, and thus still have a high insulin diet. I.E. a vegan who eats lots of pasta and cereal and low fat can not expect an improvement in either HDL or TGs and they probably will even get worse.

Or, if they eat mostly vegetables as their carb source, they can end up with a very low net carb diet, and thus not have excess insulin, and get improvements in all areas. I'm sure your approach(vegan or not) is solidly in the low insulin category.

Post Edited (BillyBob@388) : 4/9/2018 11:02:01 AM (GMT-6)

It is not unusual for ultra low-fat diets to cause decreases in LDL but also cause decreases in HDL. I would think that Ornish's diet would contain more sugar in the form of fruit and the occasional simple sugars absent in your diet. In theory, the fats in food slow the absorption of carbs making the insulin response increase, thus a higher triglyceride.

Paul

PDL17 said...
It is not unusual for ultra low-fat diets to cause decreases in LDL but also cause decreases in HDL. I would think that Ornish's diet would contain more sugar in the form of fruit and the occasional simple sugars absent in your diet. In theory, the fats in food slow the absorption of carbs making the insulin response increase, thus a higher triglyceride.

Paul

Paul, I absolutely agree it is not uncommon for low fat diets to lower HDL. And it makes it very difficult to raise an HDL that is already low, from what I have seen anyway.

But did you mean "In theory, the fats in food slow the absorption of carbs making the insulin response DECREASE thus LOWER triglyceride"?
A slower absorption of carbs should be beneficial resulting in lower insulin spikes. Although, I think even much better would be a total decrease in carbs taken in, rather than just slowing how fast they are absorbed.