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Posted 5/2/2018 4:09 AM (GMT 0)
What’s your thoughts on chicken as protean source. UCSF - I remember them saying it’s neutral.
Posted 5/2/2018 4:29 AM (GMT 0)
Chicken, yum.

especially when wrapped in bacon...
Posted 5/2/2018 9:11 AM (GMT 0)
You've more choice than me. I went fully plant based. Learning to cook ethnic with veggies, beans, carbs and spices helps a lot. If it wasnt for spices Id be in trouble. Upside... I feel healthier than Ive ever felt ironically.
Posted 5/2/2018 11:31 AM (GMT 0)
Chicken without skin is generally not a problem. There have been studies showing that chicken with skin, is problematic for PC.
With that said, you will find a study somewhere, no doubt, that will tell you that chicken causes prostate cancer. I bet if you looked hard enough, you'll find one that says that asparagus, or broccoli will cause PC as well.

I saw my cardiologist last week. He told me the story about a patient of his that needed stents put in, 5 years ago at age 60. He and his wife have been vegan ever since. Now he's 65, and he was in to see the Dr the week before. And he told the Doctor, its great that I'm healthy, but we are both miserable. We were always foodies. And being vegan took the joy out of life for us.
Then the doc just told me, watch what you eat, be sensible, but treat yourself once in a while.
Posted 5/2/2018 12:48 PM (GMT 0)
When I'm not working out....my diet goes in the trash. but when I'm exercising as I've been doing latey..my body craves protein like crazy. And I give it to it....chicken and rice being one of the ways.

Life's too short to be miserable...
Posted 5/2/2018 2:11 PM (GMT 0)
The only animal flesh I typically eat (except for pizza pepperoni 🙂) is baked skinless chicken. I like fish but I wonder about our polluted oceans. On the other hand what about possible antibiotics and hormones in chicken? Is free range labeled chicken really free range? Who knows? As mentioned, everything in moderation, including moderation. Splurge sometimes.
Posted 5/2/2018 2:14 PM (GMT 0)

InTheShop said...
Chicken, yum.

especially when wrapped in bacon...

yeah . Dark meat please or even better, duck.
Posted 5/2/2018 2:24 PM (GMT 0)
Chicken is not bad for you, particularly when you remove the fat (skin).
Posted 5/2/2018 2:28 PM (GMT 0)
chicken with skin is fine...I grill em on a foreman grill with no oil or anything...god way to lose weight also...fish is not that big a deal to do without...the the cold water fish gives omega 3...as do walnuts and other sources I know a lady at the gym who is 88 y/o and has be a vegetsrian since youth....she looks and moves like a woman in here late to early 60's...not a vicious gym rat...moderate exercise...genes play a big role as well... I eat pretty much what I want...tho I am light on red meat...with a occasional burger and a a medium rare steak maybe 3 times a year....I burn calories big time tho...I probably fool myself a lot...but life is short...the older you get.... As I tell folks as when the missile was coming...we were all the same age that day...still cant get the video of the dad putting his young daughter in the manhole on the street...with her trustingly and obediently going in...beautiful and ghastly at the same time...
Posted 5/2/2018 2:42 PM (GMT 0)
You might like this. No problem with chicken:
/peerj.com/articles/1646/

Or, this. Eggs probably bad, chicken and red meat not so much:


cancerpreventionresearch.aacrjournals.org/content/4/12/2110

Or this one from Harvard, again, red meat(even processed) no problem, skinless chicken no problem, whereas consumption of eggs and poultry with skin may increase the risk:
/www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20042525

Or, you might really like this small study finding "The findings that consumption of processed meat only (not fresh) and fish increased the risk of prostate cancer, as well as the protective effect of chicken, potato and rice consumption should be corroborated by other investigators." /www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=((prostate)+AND+cancer)+AND+chicken+And+protective

I remember a larger meta-analysis that found chicken to be protective, but I can't find it at the moment.
Posted 5/2/2018 4:08 PM (GMT 0)
For what its worth, I'm working with a dietician at the Cleveland Clinic who works only with men with PCa. According to her, chicken breast without skin is neutral as long as it is organic. Anything other than organic, according to her, is loaded up with hormones regardless of marketing speak like "Natural", "Free-range", etc. Organic chicken breast starts at about $7.00 a pound in the grocery store but Costco recently started selling it (bulk) and I've been able to get it there for under $4.00 a pound.
Posted 5/2/2018 5:09 PM (GMT 0)
of course all of these recommendations and bits of "facts" are based on a solid understanding of microbiology, organic chemistry, medical science, and backed up repeatable scientific experimentation.

BACON FOREVER!!!
Posted 5/2/2018 5:39 PM (GMT 0)
I am waiting for a peer reviewed clinical study to see the long term effects of Handel's ice cream. Scientifically can't be proven(yet) but since I started going there again my psa went to zero. Crazy Doctors claim Lupron + Zytiga + Prednisone helped.
Posted 5/2/2018 5:46 PM (GMT 0)
Choose wisely
Posted 5/2/2018 5:57 PM (GMT 0)
I was a veg for a year after PC. Worst year of my life. Now I eat anything I want, red meat at least once per day. My cholesterol went from 136 to 150, but worth every point it rose. Free range chicken, give me a break! I bet if one ate organic chicken for a year and regular chicken for a year there would be absolutely no difference in any blood test.
Organic is just a marketing gimmick to get you to pay more money.
Funny, my PSA keeps dropping no matter what I eat.
Posted 5/2/2018 6:06 PM (GMT 0)
Smoking is probably fine, too.
Especially cigars.
Posted 5/2/2018 6:09 PM (GMT 0)
I believe in food as medicine and a heart healthy diet is good for you across the board. Nothing wrong to look at the latest studies and possibly give yourself and edge. We should eat to live, not live to eat.
Posted 5/2/2018 6:58 PM (GMT 0)
When I see the Harvard study about processed meat I remember there is a very fine line between genius and crazy. There is nothing in processed meat that's good for you. It's high in salt and fat. Of course that's what makes it taste good. Just an old country boy that went a Cow College.
Posted 5/2/2018 7:58 PM (GMT 0)
chicken,fish,veges,fruit ,whatever.....just eat everything in moderation....it`s already in the cards you hold.....just another one of my opinions, but Dad made it to 96....had cancer , heart by pass, from a farm life where he ate everything ....David
Posted 5/2/2018 8:00 PM (GMT 0)
I guess I was off base on that last post...sorry .....Chicken seems to be a good source of protein....thumbs up.....
Posted 5/2/2018 8:30 PM (GMT 0)
This is good this is bad this is bad that is good...... it’s all horse manure. Yeah I know there are studies that show .... blah blah blah. We are going to die when we die. Not gonna be a salad shooter... Aka vegetarian with diarrhea. Eat what you want. My diet includes all things in moderation. From the Sea.... wild caught salmon and halibut clams oysters muscles calamari crab lobster etc.... on the hoof.... deer elk occasional beef and once a month bacon or sausage as well as our feathered friends grouse turkey chicken. We eat only certified organic meats produce and dairy.
Posted 5/2/2018 8:48 PM (GMT 0)
This thread is getting me very hungry....for some good "bad" stuff.

I had my one meat meal of the month this past weekend. A medium well Kobe beef hamburger steak, with all the trimmings. It it kills me, what a glorious way to go!smilewinkgrin

Usually lots of white meat chicken, grilled fish, and some pasta with tomato sauce. Dull, but livable.
Posted 5/2/2018 9:24 PM (GMT 0)

duke48 said...
When I see the Harvard study about processed meat I remember there is a very fine line between genius and crazy. There is nothing in processed meat that's good for you. It's high in salt and fat. Of course that's what makes it taste good. Just an old country boy that went a Cow College.

It's also what makes it last forever! smile
Posted 5/2/2018 9:33 PM (GMT 0)
Going out for pepperoni pizza and chicken wings now...back later!

Jim
Posted 5/3/2018 1:09 AM (GMT 0)
I had my first pizza with chicken on it yesterday. Never again! Back to Pepperoni and Mushrooms for ever!
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