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Posted 8/22/2010 3:18 PM (GMT 0)
No it's not SCD legal but I switched to VSL#3 from a straight Lacto acidophilus and had better results. I modified SCD (generally made it more restrictive than it is) and this is something I found beneficial. I also add a packet of VSL#3 when making a batch of homemade yogurt to give it extra strength. I can tell it has many millions of live culture because the yogurt is less runny. It also makes the VSL#3 go farther which is nice because of how expensive it is.

Davos, your diet sounds good but don't add too much fiber all at once. Start slow and add a little each day to get your colon in condition. In the beginning what you are having: spinach twice, carrots, swede, courgette (squash) would cause C for me.
But everyone is different. Best wishes on your improvement.
Posted 8/22/2010 6:04 PM (GMT 0)
Imagardener,
Thanks for the info on VSL#3. Maybe I should wait 'til i'm further down the line and hopefully have killed off some of the bad stuff before I try the VSL3. For the time being I've got a "legal" probiotic, which i imagine isn't as strong but maybe safer for me for the stage that I'm at. That's a great tip for adding into the yoghurt though. What stage do you add it, just before going into the yoghurt maker?

I take the point on the fibre. It's just that i get so hungry and try to find things to make my meals more substantial. Maybe i'll go for more chicken and less veg this evening and see how i go.

By the way, i've had a fairly good day today. Only 2 BMs and the second was well formed and no blood visible in the bowl (but there was on tissue) so a definite improvement on yesterday. Maybe with a bit less fibre i'll improve again tomorrow.
d
Posted 8/22/2010 10:19 PM (GMT 0)
I add VSL#3 at the same time you add the "starter", when it has cooled to 90-100 degrees at the beginning of the 24 hrs.

I don't have a yogurt maker so I don't know that process. I know it should heat the milk to a high temp to kill off other bacteria and then when it cools to a temp to support probiotics you add in the starter (couple spoons of good yogurt) or some VSL#3 or open some caps of lactobacillus and stir it all up. Wait 24 hrs. and walla! yogurt with the probiotics of your choice.
Posted 8/22/2010 11:24 PM (GMT 0)
I don't know how many of you make your own kefir, but I made some kefir ice cream today and it was very yummy!

I didn't really follow a recipie, but mixed approx 3 cups kefir, 1/4 cup honey, 1/4 cup coconut milk, 1.5 very ripe bananas, and about 4 tbsp creamy peanut butter, and put it in my ice cream maker.  It turned out really yummy and I just wanted to share.

:)

 

Posted 8/23/2010 8:14 AM (GMT 0)
Zucc, how does peanut butter and banana make you feel. They cramp me up straight away!

Another question. What is Kefir and how do you make it? Im thinking about making some frozen yoghurt with honey, I have to wait till there's enough room in my freezer tho.
Posted 8/23/2010 3:43 PM (GMT 0)
Hi Jordan,

Thanks for the info. I've downloaded the links and will have a read.

D
Posted 8/23/2010 10:46 PM (GMT 0)
If you take away egg and dairy and fruit juices what else is there for the introductory diet????
Very confused?!
Posted 8/23/2010 10:51 PM (GMT 0)
I started the intro diet again ...mmm about a week or more ago now. Today, I am feeling absolutely ravenous!! I do much better on the intro diet. Ive started it twice before and both times wanted to introduce things too soon. This time Im taking it slowly tho. I havent introduced anything new yet. Im kind of liking not being in too much discomfort so Im taking my time. The next 'stage' (at pecanbread) says I can introduce spinach, but I really dont like cooked spinach so I dont know about that. I can only stand a little bit at a time and not every day. When I first started scd, I was restless and bored on the intro diet. Now, I appreciate it. All a learning curve.

I was wondering if you could over do it with eating the yoghurt? Its one of my only treats and I have it with breakfast too bc Ive totally gone off eggs!! They make me feel sick lately. I feel fine with the yoghurt. I still cramp up and sometimes feel full really easily. But its not as bad and I can keep it under control.

Anyway, just wanted to update my progress. Ive eaten SO much today and its 1140pm and Im still ravenous!!
Posted 8/24/2010 12:39 AM (GMT 0)
I actually went all the way down to a juice diet for 3 days.  It was oddly satisfying and I did enjoy lots of fresh juice.  Basically I found myself a cheap used juicer and made lots of fresh juice.  I had almost no symptoms at all (other than feeling kinda hungry) and then spent the next three days eating a few soft cooked foods, fresh fruits, and juice.  And I've been slowly adding things back in, one at a time, to see if I notice any reaction at all.  After being off dairy for 2 weeks and trying some kefir a few days ago, I didn't notice any change at all in how I felt, so I assume dairy doesn't bother me (I never suspected it did, but was wondering if I'd feel any different after not consuming it for a while). 

The only food-related feelings I've noticed actually are if I overeat.  I have found that if I eat frequent very small meals, I feel great, but if I sit down and eat a big dinner, for example, I feel uncomfortably full and a little gasssy/crampy.  I have also tried to be very consciencious about chewing my food really really well before swallowing.  I feel like it's something I used to do, but my husband tends to eat very quickly and I've found myself eating a lot faster because of that I think.  Interesting the things we do without really thinking about it.

 

Posted 8/24/2010 3:54 AM (GMT 0)
zucc

that's sounds like a great recipe! even if the probiotics are frozen :-) "Eat dessert first" has always been my motto.
thanks for the post.

ima
Posted 9/3/2010 5:50 PM (GMT 0)
Hi everyone. So I had a moment of pms weakness last night. I didnt go off plan too bad but I totally pigged out and I know I do best with small portions I was awakened at 4am and had to run to the bathroom. Passed the first amount of blood I've had in months. I have been doing amazing until this. I even had Rowasa in at the time. I am so sensitive to food! So this has inspired me to keep on going. It so worth it to not cheat!!! I think I got cocky because I've been doing so great. Today I am super motivated. Well, and I'm really tired. Havent had a late night bathroom fest since June. Hows everyone doing? I miss you all!
Posted 9/3/2010 6:11 PM (GMT 0)
Hi Heidi

I recently had a reckoning with my excesses also :-( and I am back on the wagon. No blood, that is long gone for me but a bad time nonetheless with C. My weakness? Chocolate. My bad.

As I have gotten sooo much better chocolate was my reward for putting up with so much over the preceding years of suffering. A little piece here and there was wonderful but the truth is I have no control over chocolate consumption and kept adding more and more daily until my gut said whoa.

It was delicious while it lasted but not worth the price paid in worse health. Did I mention I've been on a long vacation and was in "holiday" mentality? I was able to keep to SCDiet very well but the chocolate was a treat. I visited Trader Joe's in every city I could find one and they have some great chocolate at great prices. That's my excuse :-) Yeah that's it, Trader Joe's made me do it.

Back home now and back in the normal (for me) food mode. Feeling sooo much better.

Thanks for posting. Keep up your good work.
Posted 9/6/2010 6:56 PM (GMT 0)
Just wanted to bump our discussion and confess that I totally blew the SCD yesterday but it was sooooo good!

I had a serious craving for Indian food, so we went out to our favorite Indian restaurant for lunch yesterday.  I was pretty much planning to eat whatever I wanted and see what happened.  I have been SCD for 5 months.  Hard to believe.  Yesterday, I drank mango lassi, ate paneer cheese, ate rice, lots of spicy food.  Oh, my goodness, my mouth is watering just thinking about it, it was so good. 

Now the really funny thing is -- this morning when I had to go poop, it was the most normal looking poop I've had in months and months.

Go figure.

 

Posted 9/6/2010 7:27 PM (GMT 0)
Haha. My gut loves Indian food! I made Shrimp in Yellow Curry Sauce last night, yum. But I stick to SCD-legal Indian, no rice, no carbs, etc.
In fact I just ordered an Indian cookbook by Madhur Jaffrey "From Curries to Kebabs" The spices are so wonderful and I'm convinced they are good for my gut, anti-inflammatory IOW.

Sadly the closest Indian restaurant is almost an hour from me. So if I want it gotta cook it.
Posted 9/6/2010 7:51 PM (GMT 0)
mmmmmmm curry
Posted 9/7/2010 2:54 AM (GMT 0)
Where do you find info on the SCD diet? Does it help those with Crohn's too or just UC?
Posted 9/7/2010 4:06 AM (GMT 0)
You can google Specific Carbohydrate Diet. Or I would suggest reading Breaking The Vicious Cycle. Theres many websites devoted to it. Yes, it is for Crohns too. Theres several online blogs for people with crohns or uc that are on the diet. The book is cheaper on SCD.com than on Amazon.
Posted 9/8/2010 3:03 AM (GMT 0)
@imagardener2,

sorry to jump in randomly but I read through the thread and saw that you take tumeric. What brand do you use that is scd legal? Thanks!
Posted 9/8/2010 1:16 PM (GMT 0)
Hi Gipedo

I'm gonna give you this link to read because the info is good.
www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=38&m=1895051

I take Turmeric Tri-Force 95 from tattva's herbs but the other source discussed at the link www.turmeric-curcumin.com/
not only has more curcumin (the active ingredient) 500 mg vs. 300 mg but also gives more pills for the same money.
I might switch when I need more in a couple months.

Good luck.
Posted 9/8/2010 1:17 PM (GMT 0)
I was looking for this thread a few days ago, maybe a week or so, but couldnt find it. Im glad its been bumped. Ive been SO bummed out!!! I want to rip my hair out and scream at everyone and everything. Im doing good on scd. Im being good I should say. My bowel movements are better then they would be if I werent on asacol and I dont think Im in as much discomfort or pain if I were eating illegal foods. I did start a thread about my uc complaints recently and decided that while Im not getting bloody/mucos-y D, Im still not completely in remission. I wanna cheat but darent. So far Ive gotten to stage three on the pecanbread site and added a few new things and actually Im realising I just have to cut out black tea... sad... Ive known for a long time that it wasnt working out with the caffiene and such, but now Im ready, I think, to give it up. I am still drinking white wine every now and again tho. Its as if I need something thats a little naughty! A treat. Im tempted to try the almond cookies again but I just know whats going to happen, Ill be writhing in agony with one cookie. I am seriously pms-ing and very sorely tempted to get myself a chocolate bar and savour it.

What would actually happen? Would all the little nasties grow back straight away or would I just be in pain? Is there any way of knowing? I think Im definately going to just try to make some of that toffee from the scd recipe list. That might do the trick.
Posted 9/8/2010 1:32 PM (GMT 0)
SIGIBD

Your pms is a bear isn't it. Like UC isn't bad enough.
You'll figure it out, what you can cheat with, what you can't.
For a long while caffeine was v. bad for me but now it's OK. For me green tea works, black tea doesn't.
A small amount of reg. coffee in the AM is fine but yesterday DH made it too strong and I was nauseous all day. Today I cut back and he made it weaker (i.e. normal).

Almond meal: not the best for my gut either. I noticed while on vacation and not eating almond meal much and then not at all that I felt better than with it. Perhaps your and my gut are just too fragile to process it well. I definitely have to soak almonds before eating so perhaps the almond meal being unsoaked is our problem.

One piece of chocolate won't kill you but my problem is the addictive nature of sugar. I'm quite serious when I say I can't have any because it turns into an addiction when combined with chocolate. hellokitty said close to the same thing. Sugar is a HUGE PROBLEM. Can you find some SCD legal treats without sugar to get you through?

Try eating a spoonful of thick(chilled) coconut oil mixed with just a little honey or put that on top of something legal, just to kill the crave.
Be strong, but no, one bite of something off-list won't kill you.
Posted 9/8/2010 1:51 PM (GMT 0)
Thanks for you patient and understanding response. Yeah, pms is a bear for me. Now, I do wonder if its anything to do with diet and if this diet will help in the long run with it, part of what keeps me going. I cant find coconut oil in my local shops. I wonder if they sell it in the health food stores??

You are absolutely right about the addictive nature of chocolate. I wouldnt be able to have just one square. Id have to have the whole bar and then Id be in serious pain.

I think Id be fine with a small amount of weak black tea too if I liked it that way. I might could get used to it. I might try that. mmmm... I miss coffee. Over here its almost unheard of for people to make coffee from fresh coffee grounds, its all instant. I just gave away my coffee maker bc I cant have coffee. Coffee is like to me what chocolate is to you. I cant just have one weak cup of coffee, I like it strong. I do like green tea tho.

Im gonna be strong, dont worry. I crave this stuff but cant imagine having it. I might just get a bottle of wine tonight tho. Im due on by the end of this week so, not to much longer to go. I think some homemade chicken soup is in order too. I have craft evening with my girls tonight at my church, so that will be something to take my mind off things. ... except I just remembered they do all sorts of desserts for the ladies... eyes . By then Im hoping my toffee will be done.

thanks again for the support. When Im not doing so well, as in mighty tempted, I know I can come here and be spurred on. Thanks a bunch!
gen
Posted 9/9/2010 4:56 PM (GMT 0)
I made this recipe for toffee:

5 tablespoons unsalted butter
1 cup honey
4 teaspoons vanilla
1/4 teaspoon salt
4 tablespoons homemade yogurt
big pinch baking soda

1. Stir all ingredients except the baking soda together in a heavy sauce pan and bring to a boil.

2. Lower heat and simmer for 15 minutes stirring constantly or at least very regularly.

3. At the 15 minute mark or there abouts, add the big pinch of baking soda and continue to stir as it bubbles up.

4. Stir for another few minutes and take off the heat.

5. Pour into a well buttered pan; I used a glass Pyrex rectangular pan 6 1/2 by 10" but just try and find a pan a close size so that your toffee is not too thick. If all goes well, after it cools it should be just like a chewy toffee and can be sliced into squares or strips.

It was delish! The only thing was that it didnt set well so it was scoopable and I had to eat it with a spoon. However, it did the trick! Yum! I might boil it for a bit longer before adding bicarb.
Posted 9/9/2010 6:28 PM (GMT 0)
luv2ride, the Specific Carbohydrate Diet actually has a better success rate with Crohn's patients, although UCers usually do well on it, too.
Posted 9/9/2010 6:33 PM (GMT 0)
Thanks Princesa, I'm going to give it a try. Dx with UC but lately my GI dr said it could be Crohn's.....
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