Vegan cure?

follyism said...
Hi Gavriel, I mean no disrespect as I ask you this question: Have you even read all of the posts in this thread? It appears you have not. If you did, you would realize I have been off medication for the first time in over 4 years thanks to this diet. Countless others have done the same.

If you are so concerned about how ridiculous the very notion that this diet can heal inflammatory bowel disease then state your proof my dear Gavriel. You prove nothing by saying this is an absurd and unworthy topic to tackle. There are many scientists that are investigating the role that diet plays in ulcerative colitis, is what they are doing absurd and unworthy? How about the scientists investigating the role of bacteria in the gut in relation to ulcerative colitis? Boy, they must be crackpot 9-11 was an inside job conspiracy nuts.

Outside of your mud slinging in this thread, almost all your posts you are aggressively pushing Remicade as the only real solution for UC "patients." By the way, why are you calling us patients? Are you a doctor? Most people here don't call each other patients. You also said "I am sympathetic to your condition." Strange wording again. I don't doubt you have UC. If you say you have it, I take your word for it. I am highly suspicious of your Remicade is the only "safe solution" posts and how you refer to us as patients. Don't take this the wrong way but I have to ask; do you work for Centocor? Why is Remicade the only safe solution? Why not Humira? Why is everything else dangerous or non-sensical if it is not Remicade?

Also, again, I don't think it's too much to ask that you actually read all the posts in this thread before responding. Please read the posts and point out what you disagree with. If you don't think this topic is worth a serious rebuttal then I don't think it is rude of me to ask you to stop replying here and reply to threads that you believe deserve a serious rebuttal. All the best to you.

Your six-month remission, while great to hear, means very little. I have also had six-month remissions off of all medications... and the flares always come back. I hope you are able to stay in remission forever without any medications, whatsoever... but I think deep down you know as well as I do that you will flare again. You will learn your lesson as many of us have. You seem to want to learn the hard way. Your suggestions that I am some undercover online drug-pusher working for a pharmaceutical company imply that you have much more in common with conspiracy nuts that you might want to believe.

I never, ever implied that it was silly to examine correlations and perhaps even causation between diet and the effects of UC on our health. What I clearly stated, which I stand by because it is based on simple concepts of biochemistry as related to digestion and UC, is that there is absolutely no reason to think that the vegan-diet makes any sense as a treatment towards UC in any way. I'll say it again, it is so ridiculous as to be completely unworthy of a response. Any benefit that someone may derive from a vegan-diet has nothing to do with the diet being vegan, and can only be explained by others things. For example, perhaps the UC-patient previously consumed some bad food(s) or combination of bad-food(s) that is no longer permitted by the vegan-diet. So, any benefit experienced by the patient would be by virtue of the elimination of some hazardous/problematic food or combination thereof. I won't waste any more time on this nonsense.

As far as other safe medications: they include Asacol (which has a decent success rate and is worth a try), and Humira. No drug is without risk, but Remicade and Humira are at the top of the short list of low-risk medications with high rates of success for those suffering from UC.

Stop with the arguing and personal attacks. I think everyone is allowed to discuss their own experiences. The criticism is going too far. I am open to reading other folks experiences with diet, medicine, alternative treatments, etc. I have a mind of my own and can make my own decisions about what is best for me.

Post Edited (beeswax) : 2/21/2011 4:08:18 PM (GMT-7)

Yep, Remicade is so safe that over 56,000 people have reported adverse side effects from it.

How absurd it is to postulate that food might be a causative factor in triggering and in the maintenance of an inflammatory bowel disease. I mean come on, Food as a possible tool to heal an inflamed portion of your INTESTINE, how absolutely absurd I and many others like me are. You've totally won me over to your logic of calling those who believe diet modification can heal or send this disease into remission unworthy of a real response.

My success with a low fat raw vegan means very little? I was completely steroid dependent for over 4 years and for the first time ever was able to pull myself off this very powerful drug with diet modification. That means very little apparently. Your assertion that deep down inside I know I will flare again is completely bogus. I don't think or concern myself with "flaring" again. Why? Because I have found a diet that not only has made all symptoms of my ulcerative colitis go away but has given me the type of bowel health I have never experienced in my life.

"I never, ever implied that it was silly to examine correlations and perhaps even causation between diet and the effects of UC on our health. What I clearly stated, which I stand by because it is based on simple concepts of biochemistry as related to digestion and UC, is that there is absolutely no reason to think that the vegan-diet makes any sense as a treatment towards UC in any way." Putting aside the contradictory nature of those sentences, I dare you once again to explain yourself. I'm sure we will all be highly interested and fascinated to hear your explanation of the "simple concepts of biochemistry as related to digestion and UC" as to why a vegan diet makes no sense in the treatment of UC. The podium is yours Gavriel. Why do I have a feeling that even if you do reply again, it's going to be another a "vegan diet is absurd and not worthy of a reply" post.

Sorry about that Sherry. I just read your post after I posted another reply to Gavriel.

Let me just say that I have moderate UC; I am not spending time in hospitals or taking steroids, nor have I ever been forced to submit myself to dramatic treatments. I don't take medicine. When I did take medicine, I noticed little difference aside from the annoyance of swallowing (and keeping track of) pills every single day. I am not against all medicine, either. If I had to take medication, it would be AFTER having tried a change in diet, lifestyle, sleep habits, exercise habits, etc. I'm sure many have tried all of those remedies and failed, but I have not. I will now work on the diet obstacle, and should that fail I will likely move on to the next natural approach. I'm not giving up. Medications can make things worse just as often as they make things better. Whether or not Michael Klein has a medical degree or not, he has been in our situation and if anything, I admire him for sharing his successful story in the effort to better our own circumstances.

That being said, I will be vegan as long as I want, and if it works for me, then great! If not, at least I know that I tried to remove myself from the non-sympathetic world of pharmacies and so-called "health care." If there is a chance that I can grow my own medicine in my back yard, I'm taking it.

thanks for that artical it has answered my questions. i remember when i was doint it i felt mon eating was really hard for me. it was really because my sugar levels felt so raised. i would keep going back to eating zucinni past or something. i cant remember how long i stayed full fruitain. i think for about two weeks then i would dorp as i had difficulty with the sugar. my diet would be like banans smootie in the morrning with like 5 banans and some manago or just banans when i was trying to mono eat. then 2 tubs of strawberries then more banans smooties in the evenings. thats what i was trying to do. the energy was amazing and just like the web site said my poos looked amazing except for the bleeding. but really well formed. the thing that made it difficult for me is that i never felt grounded (you will understand this if you have ever tried this). I felt like i was going to float a way or something. then if i ate an avocado i would feel more grounded. i ate nuts in the beginning but i steered away from them as it was not suggested on the fourm for www.rawfoodsupport.com and they are right. i stay away from too many nuts even now.

i think that you may be right i was not that consitent and the way i felt was great at first but the more i did it the more i felt weekend furthe. I didnt call klien as i felt he was more interested in money at the time. and i felt unsure of that. paul i did go for but then he turned out to be the same. and now seeing that artical i dont know what to think really. I have heard that Klien has trained him in fact i heard that Klien doesnt really like him..

I felt that my diet had to chage because i was did a juice fast with carrots that went wrong.

 I  decided to do a juice fast with carrot juice and vegetables. i did eat fish and eggs for a bit agin then i got rid of them again.  I droped the fish/eggs and just steemed some veges. some one else was doing it as well but they were using klien. so they sort of guided me as they were using klien. any way it ended up to be one of the worst flares. Thats when i said i need some guidence or something i could no longer juice fast really so i went to Gerald. he then explained to me that it was because of candida i was getting the bleeding. thats when i switched diets. the bleeding went

when i was doing this experiement i dropped off my meds. that was for the raw diet. i did it so i could see what was happening or i wouldent know. i went back on them when though. and i dropped off them again to see what will happen with this new diet.

to be honest yea i really struggled with the mono eating. i also struggled to find all the inseason fruit. that was really hard. i struggled to do the diet of mono eating for a month. it felt like such an overload of sugar.  


boumboumbambino if you experienced remission in one day why dont you try it? i did not do that. i went from paul nisons book to finding the raw food web pages. i got confused between the two. non sugar diets and high fruits. i really should have just spent the money and called klien. its just that you can get into all these cures. plus klien was doing the juice fasts. and really i had touble with thoes. Allot of touble. What klein does is that he has you juice fast then eat steemed veg in the evening, and he uses sweet potatoes. If you do this i suggest you do not do it alone like i did you need to call him or have some sort of guidence. You will lose weight and that can be kind of scary.   i did a carrot juice fast i dropped to 95lb that is dangerous. you really need to be monitored for that. and i didnt have enough money for someone to monitor me.

I am more stable on this diet that i am doing now i feel i have more control. I am disappointed that my raw diet failed but im happy i am in more contol now.

Gavriel....The peddling isn't the problem...it's the desperateness of those who are searching in that area.

Buyer beware...but we all follow hope. Many are also in denial. The cure for that is experience, information and research. Some are hooked on the research or control in other areas. Can't change that aspect.

You would be best to curb your empathies, for it's causing anger towards members unnecessarily, both for you and on the receiving end.

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