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Posted 5/13/2012 2:56 PM (GMT 0)

London_Gal said...
A related theme recounted in this video of Dr Andreas Eenfeldt speaking at the Ancestral Health Symposium last year (long video but really interesting if you have the time to watch it all):

In it he mentions attending the International Congress of Obesity where the lunch they laid on for delegates comprised a sandwich, a sweetened yoghurt, an apple and a candy bar (see the details - and the results on his blood sugar - at 29:28 on the video). Carbs, carbs, and more carbs thus sugar, sugar, sugar.

I do commend this video to you - it's a real eye opener.

Oops, not sure why all my text has turned into a link to the video! I think I need a lesson in how to add a url.....

Ugh, carbs aren't bad. Fruits and vegetables and whole grains are carbs and are all VERY healthy. If they were bad for you, then every person following a whole foods plant-based diet would have diabetes. It was the candy bar and sweetened yogurt (and maybe sandwich depending what was in it...) that raised his blood sugar. Everyone needs to get informed about carbs. Stupid atkins diet BS made it out like they are evil.
Posted 5/13/2012 5:42 PM (GMT 0)
Next time just hire me. Id do killer sandwiches. Homemade bread, many homemade spread, grilled mediterannen options, top up with mozarella or goats cheese. And why not a homemade meatballs sandwich?

Could have a bit for everyone.
Posted 5/13/2012 6:03 PM (GMT 0)

Sara14 said...

London_Gal said...
A related theme recounted in this video of Dr Andreas Eenfeldt speaking at the Ancestral Health Symposium last year (long video but really interesting if you have the time to watch it all):

In it he mentions attending the International Congress of Obesity where the lunch they laid on for delegates comprised a sandwich, a sweetened yoghurt, an apple and a candy bar (see the details - and the results on his blood sugar - at 29:28 on the video). Carbs, carbs, and more carbs thus sugar, sugar, sugar.

I do commend this video to you - it's a real eye opener.

Oops, not sure why all my text has turned into a link to the video! I think I need a lesson in how to add a url.....

Ugh, carbs aren't bad. Fruits and vegetables and whole grains are carbs and are all VERY healthy. If they were bad for you, then every person following a whole foods plant-based diet would have diabetes. It was the candy bar and sweetened yogurt (and maybe sandwich depending what was in it...) that raised his blood sugar. Everyone needs to get informed about carbs. Stupid atkins diet BS made it out like they are evil.

Watch the entire video. Then comment. I've cut grains (other than breakfast oats) and fruit (other than occasional berries) and get my carbs from veg and dairy. Also check out 'Wheat Belly' for more on modern grain production and the negative impact on public health. At the end of the day wheat converts to glucose and that's sugar however you cut it. Incidentally in the video the presenter also attacks the industry that Atkins has become and I'm sure that Dr Robert Atkins would be turning in his grave to see the cr@p which is being marketed in his name these days.
Posted 5/13/2012 6:32 PM (GMT 0)
Fruit is healthy. Not sure why you think dairy is healthier than fruit...

stefanie -- sounds good! :)
Posted 5/13/2012 6:50 PM (GMT 0)

Sara14 said...
Fruit is healthy. Not sure why you think dairy is healthier than fruit...

Fruit is not 'unhealthy' but fruit is sugar, that's all I'm saying. There are people out there who juice a vast bowl of fruit and think they're being healthy but then wonder why their teeth are rotting and their blood sugar is running out of control. This combined with consumption of wheat products all contributes to insulin resistance. The whole 'five a day' thing is a marketing ploy and not based on any form of science. Why do you suppose dairy is less healthy than fruit in terms of contribution to a sound nutritional profile? You can get most of the vitamins and antioxidants present in fruit from vegetables without the fructose, and the rest you can make up from meat, fish and dairy. I eat fruit, but I eat one hell of a lot less fruit than I used to. I'm not being pious, I'm just trying to make a point about traditional thinking in terms of the good guys and the bad guys, and the role of carbohydrates in fuelling the obesity epidemic. However I continue to consume grapes - pressed and fermented and labelled 'sauvignon blanc' tongue
Posted 5/13/2012 7:10 PM (GMT 0)
Tournevice, please, please, please be my personal chef!

I would be one happy woman.
Posted 5/13/2012 8:27 PM (GMT 0)
Anytime! Ill make you my wheat free lemond and almond cake then why not a nice french canadian dessert? my favorite: upside down vanilla cake with apples and maple syrup caramel.

Talking about cheap sausages (sibby youll get that one) I miss those canadian pancakes with butter, breakfast sausages and maple syrup on top how maughty!
Posted 5/13/2012 8:40 PM (GMT 0)
Caution mouth watering event commencing now! I would be a drooling fool. :-D

How I miss those sooo much.
Posted 5/13/2012 10:14 PM (GMT 0)

Sara14 said...

quincy said...

I'm wondering what the options (for those who are horrified by the choice) would be other than hotdogs?
q

Actual REAL FOOD, like, say, oh I don't know, FRUIT or VEGETABLES!!! Have people forgotten what actual food is? Or if you need some fried/grilled item how about a veggie burger or tofu/tempeh sandwich?


Why anyone would ever want to willingly put a hot dog into their mouth is beside me.

 

I have a friend who calls hotdogs beakmeat.. Yes, I know how they're made, and eat them occasionally. They should have veggie dogs as well as options or as the only option, yes..that is a good idea to satisfy everyone for sure.  burgers would require different cooking process....I can't see that fruit and veggies would be available for an outside event with a mass of people, and of course...there's cost.  Expectations for an event such as that would be cost effective initially. 

As well....things would have to be processed, kept cold and washed properly (fruit and veggies)...I don't trust that process except at home, wouldn't partake in a mass event, especially if their in huge containers and available for self-serving.

I'd get more gas from the veggie dogs...and the garlic and spices..there's more afterburps from them...but if that was the only choice, I'd have it.

In truth, however....I wouldn't attend any of those events anyway.

q

Posted 5/13/2012 10:40 PM (GMT 0)
Bananas, apples and oranges would be the easiest thing ever to serve at an outdoor event. They did have bananas and apples there, for what it's worth, but they also had the meat and other crap. And they're way cheaper than meat. However, the meat was being sold, not given away.

Anywho, just found it ironic.
Posted 5/13/2012 10:47 PM (GMT 0)
London_Girl -- I agree drinking fruit juice is unhealthy. The fiber in fruit protects us from it making our blood sugar spike. But eating whole fruit is extremely healthy. I don't really feel like debating it because you already have your mind made up, but if you want to learn more I would recommend watching a movie called Forks Over Knives or looking up Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn or Colin Campbell of The China Study. What benefits exactly do you think dairy is giving you? Dairy is not good for you at all. It actually contributes to osteoporosis by acidifying the bones. If you are upset about the fruit marketing campaign, take a look at the dairy and meat industry advertising!!
Posted 5/13/2012 11:13 PM (GMT 0)
My son's school had an outdoor festival yesterday. I was there pretty much all day volunteering. My option was a hot dog (they kill my reflux) or an ice-cream cone (lactose intolerant). Thank goodness I always carry snacks in my bag!
Posted 5/14/2012 1:42 AM (GMT 0)
Aren't veggie burgers and tofu processed food? I wouldn't eat those either. What about just having whole foods at an event like fruit and vegetables? Giving up meat doesn’t necessarily make it easier to avoid the pitfalls of the Western diet.
Posted 5/14/2012 2:32 AM (GMT 0)
Beakmeat? doesn't that sound appetizing? I've heard 'streetmeat' and 'tube steaks'

Also, when I began my quest to "become healthy" , years ago, (I started that journey by eating low fat and I wouldn't be surprised if that was a push off the cliff for me to go on to develop metabolism/digestive issues) I switched from 'unhealthy' pork based hot dogs, to chicken hot dogs! That is until we got a package of chicken wieners that had an awful lot of feathers in them! Ewwww! Gross!!!

I like the idea of just serving fruit and veggies at events, especially home events.

Sara, for someone with insulin resistance, whole fruits are not that healthy but if your metabolism is in good working order, fine.

I agree that dairy doesn't have much to offer unless you are getting it raw from properly (pastured) raised animals. That also holds true for any animal product. I firmly believe that humans thrive best on an omnivorous diet but the products have to be raised properly. This also holds true for plants. That being said, there is also a lot of room for individual variation within an omnivor's diet. Mindful experimentation!

The Heart and Stroke Foundation here in Ontario also has little fundraising boxes at a lot of cash registers. For just a two dollar donation, you can get yourself a nice 35+ ingredient 'chocolate' bar, complete with hydrogenated oils! Mmm Mmmm
Posted 5/14/2012 7:14 PM (GMT 0)

Madpotter said...
Aren't veggie burgers and tofu processed food? I wouldn't eat those either. What about just having whole foods at an event like fruit and vegetables? Giving up meat doesn’t necessarily make it easier to avoid the pitfalls of the Western diet.

Too true - and even more so when you consider that over 90% of US soya is GM:

articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/12/08/the-dirty-little-secret-hidden-in-much-of-your-health-food.aspx

Yeah, I know that there are plenty who think Mercola is a nutcase but what he says on soya (and plenty of other topics) is not exactly a voice in the wilderness - this viewpoint is out there and supported by weighty evidence. Not easy to make healthy choices sometimes is it?
Posted 5/14/2012 7:22 PM (GMT 0)
London_Gal....the sugars from fruit and veggies are both healthy and necessary for us to survive...without that kind of sugar we would die...it's added sugars (processed junk) that we don't need in our diets but natural sugars from fruit and veggies are a healthy necessity...I'm speaking in terms of people that do not have health issues related to natural sugars of course (like those that are intolerant/allergic.
Posted 5/14/2012 8:05 PM (GMT 0)

pb4 said...
London_Gal....the sugars from fruit and veggies are both healthy and necessary for us to survive...without that kind of sugar we would die...it's added sugars (processed junk) that we don't need in our diets but natural sugars from fruit and veggies are a healthy necessity...I'm speaking in terms of people that do not have health issues related to natural sugars of course (like those that are intolerant/allergic.

Sorry, I think you have misunderstood - this is precisely the message I am conveying. All I am suggesting is that you can have too much of a good thing and that includes too much fruit sugar if you have buckets of fruit - and in particular fruit juices - a day. Fruit should be eaten sparingly IMO. Fresh, natural, unprocessed foods, lots of green leafy veg, plus some highly coloured veg, a certain amount of beans, nuts & pulses and controlled amounts of fruit = healthy but getting your 'five a day' exclusively from high sugar fruits is not the way to go. Eat a pineapple a day and all you get for your trouble is an acid stomach and no enamel on your teeth. That's all I was attempting to suggest.
Posted 5/14/2012 9:06 PM (GMT 0)
oy
Posted 5/14/2012 9:12 PM (GMT 0)
Oy?
Posted 5/14/2012 9:14 PM (GMT 0)
sheesh....it's all about ONE event...not a lifetime.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oy

Posted 5/14/2012 9:19 PM (GMT 0)
But one event is part of a lifetime tongue

Seriously though, this started out as a discussion about inappropriate fare attached to a serious health message so I don't see how the posts have parted company by too wide a margin.
Posted 5/14/2012 9:23 PM (GMT 0)
I'll say it again because I am a firm believer of everything in moderation. That and some form of daily exercise is a simple, healthy way to live. And easy too. :)
Posted 5/14/2012 9:25 PM (GMT 0)
start a new thread about it,you'll have lots of replies I'm sure.

Too bad you weren't here during the 15,,,or was it 30 bananas a day diet.


q
Posted 5/15/2012 12:31 AM (GMT 0)
London_Gal,

From my research, lemons are actually the worst offender on the teeth for wearing down the enamel and possibly rotting teeth away, but not if you brush at least twice/day...proper dental care will aid with one eating all the fruits and veggies in a day that they desire.

Obviously moderation is key with pretty much everything under the sun though, I just thought you made too bold of a statement regarding those that eat lots of fruits and veggies daily, since I don't see anything wrong with doing so...I myself brush 3X/day and floss daily as well so my teeth are in excellent shape and I can easily sit and eat a whole pineapple with no teeth (or even gut) issues....food/diet is individual for each IBDer which is why a food diary comes in pretty handy.
Posted 5/15/2012 1:19 AM (GMT 0)
Totally crazy, and I don't doubt it at all.
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