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Posted 8/3/2012 6:43 AM (GMT 0)
Old Mike, can you tell me a name of a brand of baby training toothpaste?
I'm not in the USA, so with the brand name I will search for a site that do shiping to my country.
Posted 8/3/2012 3:14 PM (GMT 0)
Aquafresh makes a training toothpaste. Just look in your drug stores for training toothpastes.
Whoops it contains carrageenan.

Old Mike

Post Edited (Old Mike) : 8/3/2012 10:46:53 AM (GMT-6)

Posted 8/3/2012 4:37 PM (GMT 0)
Thanks for posting that Old Mike.

Carrageenan is an ingredient that has been debated on pet food forums as an ingredient that seems to cause digestive upset. From my research in pet food, I would trust an independent scientist over any food manufacturer.
Posted 8/3/2012 4:53 PM (GMT 0)
Unbelievable the training toothpaste contains carrageenan.
Seems like it is better to make your own somehow.
Old Mike
Posted 8/3/2012 5:28 PM (GMT 0)
It's frustrating that also the training toothpaste contains carrageenan.

I don't know how to make my own.

If you will know of a brand that does not contain carrageenan and all the other unwanted ingredients (menthol, fluoride, etc),
I would be grateful to know.

Post Edited (noga) : 8/3/2012 11:34:20 AM (GMT-6)

Posted 8/3/2012 5:29 PM (GMT 0)
half an hour toothbrushing? seriously?

q
Posted 8/3/2012 5:35 PM (GMT 0)
I toothbrush for half an hour because I have 30 teeth, and I invest about one minute to clean each one, from all its sides and surfaces.
Posted 8/3/2012 5:38 PM (GMT 0)
seems unnecessary. a soft toothbrush and floss will save you a lot of time.
Do you brush your tongue, cheeks, upper palate and scrape your tongue as well?  That's helpful too.


q

Posted 8/4/2012 11:58 AM (GMT 0)
Old Mike, thank you for this post. I thought that I had eliminated all carrageenan but found a couple more sources when checking things out in more detail.

Thanks again!
Posted 8/5/2012 2:53 PM (GMT 0)
Does this mean that all the advice we received about switching to almond milk is now 'inoperative'? Lol
Posted 8/5/2012 3:44 PM (GMT 0)
^^ Personal choice I would think...is there any almond milk that doesn't have it?

It's still an option for those who cannot/won't use milk.

I do limit it in my diet, but it doesn't seem to have any effect on my gut. Maybe because the products that has it, I don't consume anyway.

q
Posted 8/5/2012 7:09 PM (GMT 0)
Could almost have the exact same discussion regarding refined/processed sugar....it also causes inflammation and wreaks havoc on the entire body, physically and mentally...they say the average moderate amount that is safe is 10 g of sugar a day without causing any harmful effects...problem is, most don't do 10g or less.


You could say in hind-sight, the FDA is a big contributing factor as to why more and more people are getting sick with all kinds of diseases...their standards are too low IMO.
Posted 8/5/2012 7:38 PM (GMT 0)
Carageenan if it degrades in the gut is much much worse than sugar.
I agree the FDA and the USDA and the food industry are taking major chances with our health.
Why why do all these extra chemicals have to be in our food,I really dont want sodium phosphate in my half and half,nor carageenan as a thickner. If it needs to be thicker add more cream.
Old Mike
Posted 8/5/2012 10:09 PM (GMT 0)
I think it's because we eat with our eyes, so to speak...if it looks appealing (rich creamy items tend to) then we're more than happy to shovel it in...big problem too is that most overindulge and lack the understanding of "moderation".

Carageenan may be much worse than sugar but sugar itself is still detrimental to our health...put the 2 together and you're sure to have issues, especially large amounts.
Posted 8/6/2012 2:49 PM (GMT 0)
no carrageenan in home made almond milk - baking soda for tooth paste - lots of products we use every day were concieved by people wanting to make money - not anything wrong with that, just as long as what we are buying from them is beneficial to us instead of harmful -there are almost always alternatives -
Posted 8/6/2012 8:12 PM (GMT 0)
Silk Almond Milk does not contain the evil carrageenan.
Posted 8/20/2012 12:33 PM (GMT 0)
Here is a page on how it is made and what it is used in,it is everywhere,I also checked in Europe,ok there too.

Used in places you would not expect,like when they pump ham or tukey with fluids,well these fluids contain carrageenan,this stuff also combines with protein,not sure if that is a problem but interesting.  I have now found

it in the rye bread my wife buys. It seems you cant get away from this stuff.  I guess the solution is to not eat processed foods,

and if you do,check labels,for any gums.

Old Mike

http://www.fao.org/docrep/006/y4765e/y4765e0a.htm

More it looks like agar is also a sulfated polymer. This also gives history,been used a long time. But first agar plant

in USA 1921.

http://www.fao.org/docrep/field/003/AB730E/AB730E03.htm

Bingo: This seems to be a link of undegraded carrageenan to IBD.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17095757

more

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22561171

The argument goes on.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1240816/pdf/ehp0110-a0176a.pdf

Many studies.

http://www.inchem.org/documents/jecfa/jecmono/v042je08.htm

Post Edited (Old Mike) : 8/20/2012 8:52:38 AM (GMT-6)

Posted 8/20/2012 2:55 PM (GMT 0)
Mike--thank you so much for posting all these. This has been on my radar screen along with many many other possible evils...

Just wondering, do you know if carrageenan goes by any other names? (Kind of like milk hides under many alternative names.)

thanks!
Posted 8/20/2012 2:58 PM (GMT 0)
Also, noga, I'm sorry to interfere. But my dentist recently told me to be careful of brushing for too long as it causes gum disease. You can actually abrade the gums. That's why you should also use the softest toothbrush. I asked because I have a relative with OCD who brushes for a very long time and we are trying to get him to ease up.

Your teeth must be beautifully clean, but be careful!
Posted 8/3/2014 5:02 PM (GMT 0)
Just switched from cow milk to almond milk and discovered that carrageenan could be bad for us. This thread worries me.

Any updates? Anyone find a good, unthickened, unsweetened, almond milk?
Posted 8/3/2014 5:18 PM (GMT 0)
Amazing how these old threads can pop up.

I am sure the debate still rages as to whether un degraded carrageenan actually can cause a problem.

Here is a list of foods.

Google is your friend.

Old Mike

http://www.cornucopia.org/shopping-guide-to-avoiding-organic-foods-with-carrageenan/

Posted 8/3/2014 5:22 PM (GMT 0)
Thanks. While that is a list that shows which ones contain Carrageenan, I am hoping to find an almond milk with NO thickeners! Coming from skim milk, I find the almond milks way too thick to drink straight up. Good for coffee, but not with a meal, IMO.

Anyone find an UNTHICKENED almond milk?

Thanks
Posted 8/3/2014 5:35 PM (GMT 0)
To the right side in green it lists products that don't contain it.
OM
Posted 8/3/2014 5:56 PM (GMT 0)
Mike,

Carrageenan is one of many thickeners. From what I can tell, those that don't contain carrageenan contain other thickeners, like gum. Again, I am interested if anyone has found light, unthickened almond milk.
Posted 8/3/2014 6:18 PM (GMT 0)
They sell it around Washington dc, otherwise might have to make it yourself.

Old Mike

http://udderlyalmonds.com/

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