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Posted 10/9/2013 12:05 AM (GMT 0)
SORRY! I saw that the rule changed!

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Posted 10/9/2013 12:15 AM (GMT 0)

notsosicklygirl said...
This topic is against HW terms of service. I can tell you what it did for me though, NOTHING.

I'm sorry it doesn't work for your symptoms. Please don't begrudge those for whom it does help.
Posted 10/9/2013 12:43 AM (GMT 0)
I never said anyone shouldn't try whatever they want. I just said it didn't work for me.
Posted 10/9/2013 2:00 AM (GMT 0)
I feel it is starting to get out of control with the previous post. That was a little uncalled for. In case you didn't realize, notsosicklygirl is a forum moderator and has been a member for five years, hence the higher post count. Part of the moderator's job is to reply to certain posts, welcoming people, and responding to some posts where nobody else has responded. Hence again, a higher post count. I didn't realize that you had been put in charge to make sure everyone makes a post that "accomplishes" something and that you had the authority to reprimand posters to keep their views to themselves. Holy Moly, all she did was say that was it did nothing for her and that she "never said anyone shouldn't try whatever they want. I just said it didn't work for me". This thread is not just for those that want to talk positively about MMJ, it is just about a medical discussion of MMJ with both pros and cons. Others made posts which were not positive on the subject but I guess you did not read all of the posts yourself. I believe she deserves more respect than what you gave her.
Posted 10/9/2013 2:21 AM (GMT 0)
Thanks gary, that's exactly my feeling. Since when can't people express alternate opinions? As with every topic we discuss, it's clear that we rarely unanimously agree and this topic is no different. One thing we all do (for the most part) is respect each others differences.

Bobpuvel, I feel that your post was the exact reason speaking about medical marijuana was not tolerated for so many years on this forum. I am definitely not trying to pad my post count, I have thousands of posts, that would be stupid. I was simply stating that I am a CA resident and I have been for years. I have had a prescription... I tried marijuana when I was flaring without result.

I did not say YOU or ANYONE would have the same result. I have said in the past hundred of times that, for me, each flare is individual and just because something didn't work for you once doesn't mean it never will. I would try marijuana again if I were in a flare but last time I tried it, it wasn't a miracle cure and to be honest, it dulled my ability to accomplish goals and decreased my level motivation. That is my unbiased opinion.
Posted 10/9/2013 3:20 AM (GMT 0)
I have talked with a person close to me who also has UC. She lives in a state where medicinal mj is legal. She tried it for a time and said that it did help her UC symptoms, but she said that to make a difference, she had to take such a high amount of the drug that she wasn't comfortable with the perpetual foggy-headedness, and so she stopped taking it altogether. Low amounts did not make any difference with her UC symptoms.
Posted 10/9/2013 11:44 AM (GMT 0)
My apologies. It was late, shoulda thought that post through.
Posted 10/9/2013 3:08 PM (GMT 0)
MM helps pull me out of a flare time and time again and it is part of the reason that I have yet to need prednisone or any advanced drugs. Just Lialda.

However, it takes quite a high dose to be effective and I have to use it at least every other day so once my flare subsides, I stop using it. In other words, I use it as a flare stopper, not a maintenance drug.
Posted 10/9/2013 6:27 PM (GMT 0)
Bobpuvel, thanks for your apology. I was actually one of the people who was never against discussion of medical marijuana - rules come from the admin and they can change at any time. i just enforce them. I think mj is very possibly a treatment method for many illnesses and side effects of medication/illness. I have been one of the people who would repeatedly push the ability to speak freely about it. It will be interesting to see what comes of this.

Maybe we can discuss which strains have helped or how much people are using, sativa or indica, do people vaporize, smoke, eat baked goods?

That would be much more useful conversation than a bunch of people agreeing that it does something for their symptoms.

Do people feel it brings on remission or just relieves symptoms or both?
Posted 10/9/2013 6:43 PM (GMT 0)
I would say both strains help, but as has already been mentioned, Sativa doesn't make me lethargic whereas Indica tends to knock me out, make me lazy or tired.

I think vaporizing or smoking the hash oil is the best, cleanest, safest method but I'm not certain. I know it always required the least amount of marijuana and worked faster and stronger than just plain smoking. I've gotten different types of edibles with varying degrees of effectiveness (both health and "high"-wise) but the best for relieving symptoms of IBS/IBD and helping me with my appetite were THC breath strips I used to be able to get in Los Angeles, back when I lived there. Here is a review of what they do that I found somewhere else on the internet:

Med-strips are like the Listerine breath strips you buy at the supermarket, except that each one of these comes loaded with 625mg of wonderful THC. The label claims these strips will be effective, discreet and convenient and Med-Strips deliver big-time.

Here is the breakdown:

Purchased in West Los Angeles, California
Cost: $10/ea. Or three 2-packs for $50.
Flavors available: Mint and Cinnamon
THC Content: 625mg per strip (a 45x sucker is 600mg)

The ups: Smoke free, could not be more convenient or discreet, actually packs a punch (especially if you take two at a time), excellent for the purse or wallet for those emergency times when you must get medicated

The downs: These are a little thicker than Listerine strips. When they dissolve, they turn into a little glob of goo in your mouth. That’s not so nice. Also, some might not like them because they abandon the natural wholeness of dried cannabis.

The rest: The taste is decent and about what you might expect. Like putting a nugget in a wad of spearmint gum and chewing it.

I feel it relieves symptoms better than anything else I can get OTC. Nothing in particular has ever seemed to bring on remission aside from drugs prescribed by my GI doctor.
Posted 10/9/2013 6:47 PM (GMT 0)
In my opinion, it does not bring remission and have not viewed any medical data that would suggest that. If it does bring remission to anyone, that is great but I think the vast majority use MMJ for pain, appetite, anxiety and depression. I think the best way to determine what strain would work best for what you want to accomplish is to simply google it I.E. "Best strain for Pain, etc".

Also, I ONLY vaporize (I use the Volcano Vaporizer). Because I am heavily involved in health and fitness, I do not want any type of smoke in my lungs.

There is MMJ that is now being grown that is high in Cannabinoids (Cannabinoids are what help our symptoms) and low it THC (THC is what gets you high). This will be extremely useful for children and people who want the benefits but not the high. This is a big deal in the news right now and is being produced in Colorado.

Best...

Post Edited (protocolteck) : 10/9/2013 5:41:35 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 10/9/2013 7:17 PM (GMT 0)
When I got my card, my provider asked me what cannabis did for UC and I said that I didn't know but that apparently there are positive effects for Crohn's so I figured it was worth a try for UC.

There was this pause.

Then he said, you haven't tried it yet?

I said, uh no, that's why I'm here. To get a card so I can try it.

He then eagerly asked me to keep in touch and let him know how it goes.

I figure I'm the only person he's ever seen who wasn't already self-medicating with cannabis.

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Posted 10/9/2013 8:06 PM (GMT 0)

PathogenKiller said...
Freddy, did you read the Nevada law? Im sure its one and a million, they write laws for one in a million all the time. I def don't want to be that 1 in a million.. But to each their own.

As for the studies. We can play that game all day long where I post on negative effects and others post positive. I likely have 90% of the studies you are gonna drag up bookmarked. I was pro mmj for a very very long time. Until I started looking at my blood. There were many factors at play but for myself, seeing the effects of pot in stoned WBCs that were slow, and fewer in number was a friggin revelation. It forced me to look at the other side. I was the biggest anti pharma pro pot advocate until that point.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12533310

The mitochondria are the engine of life. I need more life, not less. Pot is like herbal remi plus some painkiller thrown in. It makes your cells so busy dealing with its deleterious effects they are distracted from all the stuff they need to be doing. Just like it does to the humans that smoke it. It's a very fun distraction, but it's no cure and I think in the long run most will find themselves worse for the wear. And, that, my friends is all I gotta say about that.


Obviously there are going to be side effects or potential side effects to anything you do, medication or otherwise. Compare the sides of MM to those of prednisone, imuran or even asacol, and Id bet they pale in comparison to all or most. Perhaps some of the sides you cite could be partially ameliorated by vaporizing or eating the MM.
Posted 10/9/2013 10:20 PM (GMT 0)
For me, when I had a bout of bad bad flares, it numbed me. I felt the throbbing of the pain but not to the same extent. Cigarettes on the other hand, did nothing for me. (I'm glad that the rules were changed because tbh, it would be silly not to talk about it from a medical p.o.v)

Also for those who try it for medical reasons, I would recommend investing in a vaporizer. It eliminates the risk of developing any side effects that you would of combustion (ie burning it) such as throat/lung irritation, coughing but you have to be careful to do only a small amount otherwise you will get high quickly due to the potency.

You also have to be careful of not getting sick from smoking too much mainly on an empty stomach. There are terms such as "whitey" were you go pale, hands and face become clammy, you feel nauseated/dizzy/vertigo and sometimes you may vomit. You might start to panic but some people smoke some more to over pass that, although I cannot verify it (It's similar to alcohol poisoning when the symptoms are similar and you drink a shot more and it alleviates it). This happens because the high lowers your sugar level and pressure so you can have something sweet/minty and that might also alleviate it, again, never verified this.
Posted 10/9/2013 10:35 PM (GMT 0)
CBD is anti-inflammatory and they are not looking for that because it does not impair cognition.
THC is looked for and will be found in the blood and has a half-life, usually gone by 4 hours.
Looking for metabolites downstream in the process is pure b.s. and cannot show impairment. It is neither THC nor CBD.

IOW - Use the right chemical for UC and that is probably legal in all 50 states and wont get you a DUI or DWAI etc.
Posted 10/9/2013 11:42 PM (GMT 0)
In my late 20's to mid 30's I used to smoke it. It used to help with the pain of my flares - I was flaring pretty bad. I couldn't take NSAIDs nor narcotic pain meds (I'm allergic to most of them) so I figured I would give that a shot. Btw, it never helped me with symptoms, just helped control the pain.

But then something happened. I don't know what exactly, but it made me extremely sick. Now to this day, just the smell of it nauseates me so bad that I can't be around anyone who smokes it. I've come to hate the smell, no matter what form it's in.

I'm glad that Peter is allowing the discussion of this now because I truly can see the medical benefit of this plant (even if I don't like the plant itself).

But PLEASE keep in mind that ANY discussion of the use of this in a recreational manner may cause the admin to revoke this rule. This is sort of a trial run so use it wisely.
Posted 10/10/2013 12:01 AM (GMT 0)
Hey, notsosickly girl. I was rushed earlier today with my apology. My repsonse to your moderation was a complete misunderstanding. And I blew it out of proportion... I thought you were referring to this thread as doing "NOTHING" for you, not weed itself. haha, so I'm even more sorry than you think. But for me, I think the stress reduction that pot brings is my biggest relief. I get to live life more in the moment as opposed to getting a little paranoid or worried about my UC symptoms.
Posted 10/10/2013 3:14 AM (GMT 0)
I have a hunch - just a hunch - that any medical benefits of this would derive from the reduced stress levels. My UC is heavily influenced by my stress levels.
Posted 10/10/2013 4:58 AM (GMT 0)
I understand that MMJ can be distilled to separate the THC from other components so that it can be used with no THC and thus no "high" side effects. Is this true?

I'm seeing some components of MMJ identified here such as THC and CBD. Is there are resource (link) that lists these components and their known effects?
Posted 10/10/2013 12:00 PM (GMT 0)
From my understanding, THC is the "high" chemical, CBD doesn't make you feel any different, but potentially has healing effects. I've heard some controversial stories of little kids using medical marijuana, but most of the time, it's given in pill form and has a veeeery small THC content. I'd be weary that those pills are organic. My mom (ER nurse) told me that there's THC pills (for appetite) that are given even in states that don't have legal MMJ. My understanding is that it's synthetically derived, which is something that totally turns me off. http://projectcbd.org/ looks to be a decent source of info. But it's hard to say exactly what is truthful and if it's consistent between patients (I'm not a scientist, nor did I read much of what that website has to offer o_0)
Posted 10/10/2013 12:00 PM (GMT 0)
From my understanding, THC is the "high" chemical, CBD doesn't make you feel any different, but potentially has healing effects. I've heard some controversial stories of little kids using medical marijuana, but most of the time, it's given in pill form and has a veeeery small THC content. I'd be weary that those pills are organic. My mom (ER nurse) told me that there's THC pills (for appetite) that are given even in states that don't have legal MMJ. My understanding is that it's synthetically derived, which is something that totally turns me off. http://projectcbd.org/ looks to be a decent source of info. But it's hard to say exactly what is truthful and if it's consistent between patients (I'm not a scientist, nor did I read much of what that website has to offer o_0)
Posted 10/10/2013 12:18 PM (GMT 0)
The pill form is called Marinol and has been out for many years. Thought maybe some of you would like to check it out. It's prescription only and has always been legal in all states. Its generally used for appetite stimulant in the elderly and eating disorders and anti-nausea med in chemotherapy patients.

It did not go over as well as they had hoped and its rarely seen anylonger.
Posted 10/10/2013 1:15 PM (GMT 0)
This is why I'm glad Peter has relaxed this rule. I was never opposed to MMJ, but now I'm learning so much more about it. Even the NIH gives it approval:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22815234

They say CBD could be a basis for a new form of drug to treat IBD.

Posted 10/11/2013 8:50 PM (GMT 0)
I think it does help! it increases your appetite, and relaxes you. It may work differently for some people and different kinds can cause high- racy heartbeat, & paranoia. That's why they need to legalize it everywhere so u can choose one for your needs!
Posted 10/12/2013 4:12 AM (GMT 0)
In california med MJ patients are often prescribed MJ to help with, sleep, nausia, anxiety and stress. It can also help stimulate appetite. I have even head that MJ helps sooth the lining of the gut.

As for health concerns, practically every doctor recommends using a vaporizer and not smoking marijuana.

Does anyone know if marijuana waxes and other concentrates could cause a UC flare; due to the butane and other chemicals used in manufacturing?
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