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Posted 3/6/2014 2:05 AM (GMT 0)
The take home message for me is that all the major food groups - protein, carbs and fats - give you cancer, diabetes and heart disease, and people should just give up eating as a bad job altogether.

www.theguardian.com/science/2014/mar/04/animal-protein-diets-smoking-meat-eggs-dairy

On a more serious note, this is why I will never set my heart on diet being the key to human health, happiness and longetivity. There is no such thing. Everything is bad for you taken to excess, and nothing is going to kill you provided you don't eat too much of it and become 50 stone.
Posted 3/6/2014 2:12 AM (GMT 0)
Yes I laughed when I heard this on the radio today. I thought...wait carbs and protein are now out so ill just have to eat the third group. I had a brain fart and it took me a second or two to recall the third group was fats. Which they were the first of the three to be declared evil. I've always said I hate eating and would never do it again if I could be healthy without food. Yay wish granted.
Posted 3/6/2014 2:18 AM (GMT 0)
+1 NCOT ****
Posted 3/6/2014 2:20 AM (GMT 0)
This particular study has been the butt of many jokes in the scientific community, mainly due to its improper construction. A study is only as good as the methods it uses - controlling for confounding variables and factors. This particular response accurately describes it:

Howdy,

As an epi and public healtlh professional what irks me about all these studies is your conclusions. Using data from the study of one chemical or one biomarker is ridiculous. Humans are never exposed to one one thing in their natural environment everything is a mixture. To allow the media to make assumptions like “Meat consumption is as dangerous as smoking” is irresponsible. The study admits in numerous places potential problems with their methods and data yet turns around only to attempt to justify conclusions. Cancer is a disease that often times progresses slowly. I find it interesting that the high mortality rate is in the 50 -65 age group. That is about the time when all factors (stress, occupation, lack of activity, etc.) begin to take the most toll on a body and increase things like inflammation and metabolic disfunction. All of which could account for your results. Too many of these studies smack of a specific agenda in part because the media picks it up and runs with it whether they understand it or not. A true scientist would try and limit these media associations until a true consensus with strong data is reached. This of course will never happen since much of science has been hijacked by politics and personal agendas. No one lives forever.
Posted 3/6/2014 2:25 AM (GMT 0)
Ok, is this lean, healthy meats or the shouldn't-eat-this-kind-of-meat meats?

If so, how the hell do we eat? And don't give me vegan and vegetarian option, I was prior-UC. Post-UC, nope not going to happen. My colon is my dictator and I don't like the corporal punishment I'll get.
Posted 3/6/2014 2:29 AM (GMT 0)
What ever happened to everything in moderation? Balance it all out. Little of this a little of that.
Posted 3/6/2014 2:31 AM (GMT 0)
Take home message for me was holymoly... I'm almost middle aged.

What was most saddening about the article was that I was reading it and it suddenly dawned on me out of nowhere that I'm almost middle aged!! I never really though about it before to be honest.. I'm close to 40... I was like wow... I gotta start worrying about this stuff now haha.

Were does the time go??? I was only around 25 years old when IBD hit... Have I really wasted that many years sitting on the darn toilet... Crazy!

Has anyone ever calculated or added up just how time they wasted in the bathroom? I bet it would be weeks, or months worth of life.
Posted 3/6/2014 3:49 AM (GMT 0)
Someone needs to tell the French that they should be dead. All that butter and cheese.
I don't read anything anymore. Obey the gut.
Posted 3/6/2014 10:02 AM (GMT 0)
All these studies seem to end up telling us we should be eating beans and legumes, although I'm sure the Paleos have articles saying why beans and legumes will kill us. My colon hates beans and legumes in any more than very small quantities, therefore, time to give up on eating it would seem...
Posted 3/6/2014 10:38 AM (GMT 0)
The problem with these studies is that they never mention the OTHER habits of people in the study.. do they supplement their diet with Coke and a few kilos of cakes? Are they smoking? Do they eat cured meats and bacon or grass fed cattle? Is the dairy factory made processed cheese?

Diabetes on a high protein/fat diet? Erm.. diabetes requires sugar/carbs insulin overload.

+1 Imagardener2
Posted 3/6/2014 1:51 PM (GMT 0)
so man, what if you smoke your meat ? is there any hope ????
Posted 3/6/2014 2:08 PM (GMT 0)

ByeByeUC said...
What ever happened to everything in moderation? Balance it all out. Little of this a little of that.

Absolutely. Lots of variety, lots of balance, a little of this a little of that. That way I won't eat too much of anything or not enough of anything else. Works for me. :)
Posted 3/6/2014 2:12 PM (GMT 0)
Yeah. I agree. One of our problems with UC is that most of us have some kind of dysbosis so I don't think the solution to our problem is to eliminate tons of different things from our diet and to only eat narrow band restricted diets.
Posted 3/6/2014 3:21 PM (GMT 0)
I suppose to each their own but I somewhat do agree with the article. Although, for those that said they had tried the vegetarian/vegan diet, have you eaten a lot of soy or corn during the time? Those two are the top GMO'd ingredients period. It gets to the point where there is a slim to no chance that you will find either "organic".

I have gotten over (permanently) of a lot of pain and flares from changing my diet from carnivorous to an herbivore especially because I was researching and found out that the general standards for animal proteins are high and unnecessary. Secondly a lot of dairy products causes mucus buildup in the body on top of what we already have. Pooping mucus? You're probably eating too many things that contain some form of dairy.

This is what works for me at least so *thumbs up*?
Posted 3/6/2014 4:16 PM (GMT 0)

Somebody said...
As an epi and public healtlh professional what irks me about all these studies is your conclusions. Using data from the study of one chemical or one biomarker is ridiculous. Humans are never exposed to one one thing in their natural environment everything is a mixture. To allow the media to make assumptions like “Meat consumption is as dangerous as smoking” is irresponsible. The study admits in numerous places potential problems with their methods and data yet turns around only to attempt to justify conclusions. Cancer is a disease that often times progresses slowly. I find it interesting that the high mortality rate is in the 50 -65 age group. That is about the time when all factors (stress, occupation, lack of activity, etc.) begin to take the most toll on a body and increase things like inflammation and metabolic disfunction. All of which could account for your results. Too many of these studies smack of a specific agenda in part because the media picks it up and runs with it whether they understand it or not. A true scientist would try and limit these media associations until a true consensus with strong data is reached. This of course will never happen since much of science has been hijacked by politics and personal agendas. No one lives forever.


Is this a quote from sincere researchers questioning shoddy science in the interest of public health, OR,
is this the response from the Cattlemen Association Lobby trying to save their arses.
Posted 3/6/2014 4:37 PM (GMT 0)
Protein just like fat and carbs contain calories. High calorie diet causes the diseases that kill people in prosperous nations. It is hard to eat too much on a vegetable based diet that excludes processed carbs, oils and proteins. Our stomachs aren't big enough. Eat less and eat a balanced diet. If you can't hack it, become a vegan. Old people don't eat enough..nothing new there. The middle aged people stuff their faces...nothing new either.

"Cattlemen Association Lobby trying to save their arses."

probably

"general standards for animal proteins are high and unnecessary"

Not sure I buy everything in "The China Study" but that part of the book is pretty convincing.
Posted 3/6/2014 4:38 PM (GMT 0)
I try not to read those studies anymore... too confusing and discouraging. I used to be vegan (not junk food vegan but whole foods, no gluten, nothing processed, etc.) and my UC was the worse during that time, I think because of all the grains, but I was very scared of doing scd because of everyone saying that meat is bad and also for ethical reasons. During my time as a vegan I had a couple abnormal paptest and was diagnosed with precancerous cells in my cervix... Then after a couple of months on scd, the cells were back to normal. Might be a coincidence, but I believe the scd lowered the inflammation in my whole body by lowering the inflammation in my colon.. but who knows.
Posted 3/6/2014 8:08 PM (GMT 0)
Guys, I've just read a post which proves that we can eat whatever we want and live to 100:

Well, my grandma lived to be 100 and was healthy until the very last year. She ate the most unhealthy diet imaginable pretty much her whole life (virtually all animal protein, cheap processed meats/oils, loads of refined sugar and refined wheat, hardly any fruit and vegetables...).
Of course, I know the plural of anecdote is not data, but I still take all this advice with a grain of salt - not that I eat her diet anyway, I find it pretty vile! (And speaking of salt, she always ate far too much of that too...)

So go for it... ¬_¬
Posted 3/6/2014 8:46 PM (GMT 0)
boumboumbambino, I heard a lot of the products, especially in produce from whole foods is gmo'd. have you tried your local farm? i also eat more fruits and vegetables than grains, nuts, legumes, etc.

NCOT, not surprising. My dad is like that but unfortunately he is supplementing his life with a cabinet full of prescribed pills. Makes me wonder about that grandma! :P It gets so bad with my father that he buys things from the DOLLAR STORE TO EAT !! I'm totally against that especially these salami things he get that aren't near refrigerators.
Posted 3/6/2014 9:09 PM (GMT 0)
Produce is highly unlikely to be GMO. The only fruits and veggies that are GMO are papaya (only from Hawaii), crookneck squash and zucchini, and a small amount of the sweet corn.

The papaya, squash, and zucchini were all engineered to be resistant to viruses that we wiping out the crops entirely.
Posted 3/6/2014 10:27 PM (GMT 0)
fruitgirl, how is it highly unlikely? just curious as to why you believe that. Also up to 85% of u.s grown corn is genetically modified unfortunately. So are potatoes, tomatoes, radicchio, sugar beets, and soybeans. I was wrong to say all.
Posted 3/7/2014 2:24 AM (GMT 0)
If you avoid the foods I listed above, you won't be eating GMOs, at this time. And even with sweet corn, it's fairly unlikely that it's GMO. Yes, most corn produces in the US is GMO, but that's field corn. Sweet corn and field corn aren't at all the same thing.

GMO potatoes and tomatoes were once on the market, but are no longer.

Sugar beets aren't the same as beets that are sold in produce departments.

I hadn't heard anything about radicchio, but it appears from a quick search that GMO lines have been created, but never released.

I don't generally think of soybeans as produce, but I suppose they are as edamame.
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