Ulcerative colitis recovery through urine therapy

If you are considering drinking urine, you might want to read this:

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2008/05/the_yellow_liquid_diet.html

Sue

Sure!! Thanks!!!

gives a whole new meaning to being pissed.

...keep us posted.

q

Romeo y Julieta Exhibición No. 2

Mmmmmm! ;)

John....hahahahahahahahahahaha

I was waiting for the "straight from the spigot jokes"......

quincy said...
gives a whole new meaning to being pissed.

...keep us posted.

q

Haha, this cracked me up.

For example, start a thread about Harley Davidsons full of misspellings when they actually loved BMWs and hated Harleys. This urine thing is sort of extreme alternative medicine.

That's a possibility but for all the craziness, let me tell you, I tried to sip some of my urine as gross as it is and I was able to once or twice. Either it is a placebo effect (affect? I always forget which one to use, hah) but it helped with some of the bleeding I have left over from my major flare.

Plus I mean we do worse, we eat rotten cheeses, drink milk from other mammals, and urine is at least from your own body. Some people even go to the extreme of drinking urine from children of the same gender for the same reasons FT is best done from children.

I am sooo happy that atleast one person could try it and can see the positive response.
Yes, on the first day, I took only 1 ounce of mid stream urine in the early morning around 4AM and believe it or not that day itself I could see a very fast response, much of my discomfort in my belly has reduced and also slight change in the bloody stool. I repeated the same one ounce 3 times that day.The next day I tried with 30 ml urine thrice daily. Again could see a very fast positive response. Then I decided to drink little more, half glass thrice daily like that....now able to drink 1 glass(200ml) twice daily (once around
4-5 AM another one around 8-9 pm). Diet is healthy cooked food more of veggies and fruits, less meat and 8-9 glasses of water.
Meanwhile reading/researching on the books by Martha M. Christy and the book referred in my earlier email.
I referred in my earlier email that I couldn't find the correct dosage/no. of times of Urine to intake, I think it depends upon once own body/symptoms.
I am hoping to stop all the medicines soon. I have referred this point in my earlier posts. I already reduced Lialda to half dose, will stop it completely in some days. Now 3 weeks completed with urine therapy!!!
Planning to continue until I see any other flare or any side effects!!! I will surely post the message here!!!

Just what it sounds like. I guess you aren't supposed to drink the pee that first comes out, only the midstream pee. I'm believing this thread less and less. First she said her dad "forced" her to drink her own urine and now she's recommending it to everyone.

You really got to love our ulcerative colitis forum. Unique and strange potential solutions along with very entertaining humor.

I went off searching on the subject and ran into the following webpage. It seems to present a fairly balanced review of the topic. It has lots of details as to what is contained in urine.

www.vanderbilt.edu/AnS/psychology/health_psychology/Urine_Therapy.htm

katarzyna: If you've read all of my posts over the last three years you can actually see that I have no trouble at all thinking outside the box. I'm having success with grape seed extract right now. That's outside the box. I also take DAO. That's a little outside the box too. I've also tried several other "natural" treatments not listed in my signature, including some diet changes. Even though very few of them actually made me worse, I finally determined that none of them actually made me better enough to justify the cost (even though most of them were fairly inexpensive) or the effort. These things had worked on some others.

Fecal transplants actually don't sound weirder to me than UT and many here have done FT themselves and don't rely on "outsiders". Even though I kind of agree with you in that "You are your own greatest doctor" I would like to argue that point anyway. That isn't always true and just because you come up with a crazy idea (even grape seed extract) doesn't mean that you are a better doctor than a real doctor, unless it actually works. In anamika's case we know that she is on lialda, remicade, and has done diet changes, so how do we know that that isn't the real reason she is doing better and it doesn't have anything at all to do with drinking her urine? She did state that those meds put her into remission!

There are too many trusting soles on these websites who are gullible enough to believe anything. We have had a problem with trolls here in the past or spammers trying to advertise their own products, such as anamika herself spamming about Ayurvedic medicine back in 2009. It's one thing to talk about Ayurvedic medicine and quite another to post specific links to specific products or services so that someone can make some money off chronically ill people who are desperate to try anything. I'm not actually trying to say anything bad about Ayurvedic medicine (I'm sure it works for some). Whether you want to believe it or not some trolls would just love to post here, laughing hilariously that they got some of those chronically ill, desperate people to drink their own urine. Now I am not going to go so far as to accuse anamika of this, but we really don't know.

Here is what we do know:

1. Back in 2009 she was positive that Ayurvedic medicine was the ultimate cure all. Apparently it wasn't or she wouldn't be drinking her own urine now. Not a good track record for convincing me that she is so right now.

2. She was reprimanded for spamming advertising links in her 2009 posts.

3. She went into remission from diet changes, Lialda, and Remicade

4. She had some symptoms return and her dad "forced" her to drink her own urine and now she's a big believer, even though she is still doing the medical treatments. How many people here can say a parent forced them to drink their own urine? If her dad was so big on drinking urine, why didn't he force her to drink it before starting Lialda and Remicade? If her dad was so big on drinking urine why didn't he force her to drink it before doing Ayurvedic medicine or after the Ayurvedic treatments apparently failed?

I'm just saying there are enough doubts here that I don't think anyone should start drinking their own urine based solely on just anamika's advice. I'd also like to say that even though you have drank some of your own urine (apparently more than once), I see from your signature claiming remission that you don't credit it as even one reason for your remission so you must have felt it didn't really do much of anything for you or you would have put that in your signature, crediting it for being at least one of the reasons for your remission.

Gary, I completely agree with what you have said and yes, I completely forgot you are trying the grape seed extract. How is that working out for you by the way? I just am a little hot headed when people try to bad mouth (not the word I wanted to use but couldn't think of it) someone's potential remedy. I think you mentioned the spammer incident earlier in this thread and I did read that. You are correct though and it is understandable that you feel a certain way about this thread and user.

I personally disagree with "doesn't mean that you are a better doctor than a real doctor." I feel that with proper research you can be just as good as one. I trust myself more than I do any doctor, as I have yet to find one that doesn't want to deepen their own pockets. It might just be NJ or even America, who knows? Maybe when I switch doctors, I'll have some better luck.

Also, the reason I don't claim it put me into remission is because my other protocol put me into remission. I have tried to do UT in the past but wasn't able to stomach it and called my fiance crazy. But now, I'm working on it and it's showing good results. That's why I said I don't know if it's a placebo effect since I want it to work or if it really is working.



And guys, I don't think I would ever try the "poop pill". Now that is some sick crap no pun intended, at least in my mind. Just the thought of your stomach digesting it has me feeling all sorts of ways.

Hi katarzyna-

I can understand your apprehension towards the "poop pills", but I think it's a subject that warrants further explanation so there are no further misunderstandings about it.

Like most mesalamine formulations, the "poop pills" we are talking about are enterically coated and released in the large intestine. The reason people are excited is that they hold great promise for fixing the microbial imbalance that has long been suspected in UC and many other autoimmune disorders like RA and MS. Assuming colonization takes place, it could be a three or four time affair, like it is with the c. diff folk and that's it (though perhaps a little more for UC folk to promote mucosal healing).

This is perhaps one of the reasons the FDA is hesitant to approve it, despite the better safety record than 90% of other drugs out in the market, biologics included. It wouldn't be an ongoing therapy and pharmaceutical companies would make little profit from it. After all, there is little return investment in a cure.

From a more in-depth perspective, "poop pills" and FMTs have saved many people with reoccurring c. diff (and some with UC) from otherwise bleak outcomes. Bacterial infections like these claim around 15k per year in the United States. Going by the data and efficacy rates of poop pills and fecal transplants, that's 14.7k preventable deaths alone.

As for UC, the lines are a little more blurred. Some people don't post on this forum because FTs did indeed restore the microbial balance in their respective colons and overpowered the UC. One day severe UC exists for a guy like M. Hurst and he's is waiting to get his colon pulled. Then within the next 6-weeks he's back to normal after 11 years of misery. UC Gone. Eradicated. Out of dukkha and percolating back to the mortal realm, living like it never existed. No pills. No special diets. No supplements. Nothing.

I can't say the same for urine therapy, but it does warrant further research and looking into. It could very well be the placebo effect, though how can we say with 100% certainty that it is? Until then, it should be open to question and with an open mind at that. Cultural norms and definitions are meant to be questioned if we want to promote change.

I hope the above did not offend anymore.