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Posted 4/23/2014 4:17 PM (GMT 0)
I knew it somehow played a role,about 10 grams per day in the us diet. Amazing I just found this info.

Also trying to look into excess salt and hypochlorous acid. Really having a problem finding per capata salt consumption

charts since 1900,they used to be out there.

Makes me also wonder,that when the mice are given colitis via DSS they get better when the DSS is stopped.

Don't believe they eat a high salt diet.

See my other thread on grape seed,and oregano as an antioxidant and the radical induction theory.

So the question is if salt is really a problem how much is too much.

Old Mike

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/257319.php

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/salt-linked-to-autoimmune-diseases/

more on high salt diet and mice,finally found something

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23467095

appendix th17 and UC,been looking for the reason for the association for a long time.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24666024

th17 cells and uc

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23689808

some salt history

http://ndt.oxfordjournals.org/content/21/8/2052.full

this history sees to indicate we eat less now than a 100 years ago

http://www.saltinstitute.org/news-articles/history-of-salt-consumption/

Post Edited (Old Mike) : 4/23/2014 1:26:06 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 4/23/2014 4:33 PM (GMT 0)
I use a good amount of sea salt and eat alot of german sauerkraut.. not sure I buy it

my blood pressure is 112/60 good and now have no auto immune problems...
Posted 4/23/2014 5:01 PM (GMT 0)
OK OM, I read these articles and now I need a little help here. I have never likes the taste of salt have never even put a shaker of salt on my table. So, although I know I consume it in foods like cheese and prepared foods, I don't think my consumption is anywhere as high as the normal American diet.
Until recently... After I read all about the Watercure at http://www.healingdigestiveillness.com/
Since then I have tried to up the amount water I drink, and I now drink it fairly warm and with a small amount of Gray Celtic sea salt in it. Do you think I'm cutting off my nose to spite my face?
Thanks,
Maggie
Posted 4/23/2014 6:18 PM (GMT 0)
I really don't have much research to go on, especially for UC.
Cant say for sure. Most of our salt intake is from the crummy western diet at least
here in the USA. A small amount might not be a problem,but who can say at this time.
OM
Posted 4/4/2016 4:26 PM (GMT 0)
Might as well add some more info to this thread, running out of things to look at.

I wonder what a lifetime of high salt does to the immune system, seems that they can

induce changes in a few days,for the worse.

Old Mike

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26524592

http://www.jci.org/articles/view/81151?utm_campaign=impact_2015_november&utm_content=short_url&utm_medium=pdf&utm_source=impact

http://www.jci.org/articles/view/80919?utm_campaign=impact_2015_november&utm_content=short_url&utm_medium=pdf&utm_source=impact


more salt

http://www.nature.com/cr/journal/v25/n8/full/cr201591a.html


mice dss salt

https://elsevier.conference-services.net/reports/template/onetextabstract.xml?xsl=template/onetextabstract.xsl&conferenceid=3869&abstractid=887065

Post Edited (Old Mike) : 4/6/2016 7:29:42 AM (GMT-6)

Posted 4/10/2016 11:59 AM (GMT 0)
This sort of sums things up.

Interesting what might be the first thing they do in the hospital for a flare, hook you up to IV saline,

then perhaps you can only eat bullion, which is loaded with sodium.

Old Mike

Immune confusion-excess salt

https://www.mdc-berlin.de/45157321/en/highlights/archive/2015/Mueller


also it seems that sodium is also stored in the skin and muscle and other tissue

and not under complete control by the kidneys, but immune cells.

Might even bring up a question for crohns, since in crohns there is defective macrophage killing.

What if you went on a real high salt diet, which might enhance macrophage killing.

The in between salt intake for most americans might not be good.

High or low perhaps, depending on the condition, but not in between.


http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/03/does-high-salt-diet-combat-infections


hypertonic saline mice dss-this helps-enough to drive me crazy lots of conflicting info

https://www.thieme-connect.com/products/ejournals/abstract/10.1055/s-2005-869604



Post Edited (Old Mike) : 4/10/2016 5:14:52 PM (GMT-6)

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