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Posted 2/22/2015 1:18 AM (GMT 0)
Dr. Michael Gregor's new video:

http://nutritionfacts.org/video/preventing-ulcerative-colitis-with-diet/
Posted 2/22/2015 1:45 AM (GMT 0)
didn't do diddley squat for me and my colon -

give me sum bacon !
Posted 2/22/2015 1:48 AM (GMT 0)
Thanks for sharing, but I'm afraid his findings are not scientific.

A rather smart PhD in nutrition science was able to disprove the vast majority of Dr.Gregor's claims on the merits of veganism. For instance, there is no discernible way to get vitamin A in the body other than from retinol (bioavailable vitamin A that is only available from animal sources - their rumens convert beto-carotine for us). Contrary to popular belief, the conversion ratios for beta carotine to retinol are less than 10%. One risks deficiency by going vegan or vegetarian. There are many whose lives were saved by eating meat. Egg yolks are also source of cholesterol, which is the precursor to vitamin D and coenzyme-q10.
Posted 2/22/2015 1:52 AM (GMT 0)
Spam
Posted 2/22/2015 1:54 AM (GMT 0)
I was diagnosed with uc after id been a vegan for years. Im with lonnie on this one- bacon is a major food group for me!
Posted 2/22/2015 1:57 AM (GMT 0)
:-)
Posted 2/22/2015 2:23 AM (GMT 0)
Same here, I developed UC when I was vegan. I just bought some bacon today, looking forward to eating it tomorrow!
Posted 2/22/2015 2:42 AM (GMT 0)
Just another case where someone can cherry pick their facts to prove anything they want.
Posted 2/22/2015 2:55 AM (GMT 0)
good cause I love me some bacon
!
Posted 2/22/2015 3:06 AM (GMT 0)
He has an agenda to promote veganism and vegetarians since he's currently the Director of Public Health and Animal Agriculture at the Humane Society of the United States and Humane Society International; I see him as a person who would have an agenda to also prevent killing of animals for food.
I've seen his presentations and while they're full of studies he doesn't include studies and research which is contrary.
He's like a great motivational speaker and celebrity more than someone I'd listen to for help getting over UC.

I would call this spam as well.
Posted 2/22/2015 3:12 AM (GMT 0)
When I was juicing I did feel better when not having BMs, but my BMs were mostly green diarrhea. Hmm.
Posted 2/22/2015 3:41 AM (GMT 0)
Same here fightUC; I loved juice and was so excited about all those natural recipes. I loaded the fridge with many different, fresh plants and was so disappointed when another flare came.
Posted 2/22/2015 4:16 AM (GMT 0)
don't get me wrong. I'm an ex veggie/vegetarian. Just thought his hypothesis was interesting...heck i got sick on a completely no oil vegan diet..
Posted 2/22/2015 4:18 AM (GMT 0)
and if you think i'm a spammer check my history ashwholes
Posted 2/22/2015 4:27 AM (GMT 0)
whooooooaaaa z girl - i think all they are saying is, "pass me sum spam " smilewinkgrin
Posted 2/22/2015 4:53 AM (GMT 0)
and if you dismiss his hypothesis i don't think eating bacon is the answer. Any cured meat will lead to further problems. If you can get your hands on affordable pasture-raised piggies whose flesh hasn't been cured then all the more power to you. But only the rich can eat like this. at least in the cities. Most poor people in the city can't. And even knowing I may need meat to heal I refuse on a more likely than not basis that meat of any kind these days will make one ill.
Posted 2/22/2015 12:03 PM (GMT 0)
Zengrrl is no spammer, whether she eats spam, I dunno; I'd advise against it (cheap meat in a can... and all).

Bacon =yum

Play nicey boys and girls :-)
Posted 2/22/2015 1:22 PM (GMT 0)
On the flip side of vegan/veg or not, my DH has gone back to the vegan diet in the past few weeks to bring his cholesterol down. It works like a charm for him and I have cut way back on my meat eating as a result. I only eat meat 2-3 days a week. Thankfully my UC is in a place that is tolerating all the beans and veggies well. I still eating yogurt every day and the bacon I eat is from a local, naturally and humanely raised farm and is nitrate free. It does cost a fortune so I only buy it occasionally.
There is a big issue with "vegan" food from stores much like the "gluten free" products one can buy. We do our best to avoid those, although I am addicted to nut-thin crackers. Otherwise we make nearly all of our food at home.
Posted 2/22/2015 1:43 PM (GMT 0)
I developed UC while being a vegetarian
Posted 2/22/2015 2:00 PM (GMT 0)
my whole heart is for veganism and vegetarianism, but if it is for ideological reasons which i truly support. However, i don't think i'd survive on such a diet now. Before uc i was more of a "flexitarian", but now i have doubts if my colon weren't better if i'd been eating bone broth all this time (i never did it). As for being a vegetarian because of love for animals, i also think it is just a futile gesture of disagreement, the real benefit for animals would be our fight for humanitarian ways of killing them, banning barbaric ritual slaughter halal (Poland signed this ban several months ago, but some creepy political lobbies overthrew it and now it is still legal). If people can lead star wars, i don't believe they can't think up euthanasia for animals in slaughter houses.
Posted 2/22/2015 2:06 PM (GMT 0)
PART of the problem is the microbiome imbalance. I wonder what the stats are for people who developed UC while eating a well rounded diet? Being extreme such as vega or a constant fast food eater leads to less diversity.
Posted 2/22/2015 2:19 PM (GMT 0)

momto2boys said...
On the flip side of vegan/veg or not, my DH has gone back to the vegan diet in the past few weeks to bring his cholesterol down. It works like a charm for him and I have cut way back on my meat eating as a result. I only eat meat 2-3 days a week. Thankfully my UC is in a place that is tolerating all the beans and veggies well. I still eating yogurt every day and the bacon I eat is from a local, naturally and humanely raised farm and is nitrate free. It does cost a fortune so I only buy it occasionally.
There is a big issue with "vegan" food from stores much like the "gluten free" products one can buy. We do our best to avoid those, although I am addicted to nut-thin crackers. Otherwise we make nearly all of our food at home.

Going vegan will certainly bring cholesterol down, but it's not cholesterol that's the problem! Low cholesterol is turning out to be a rather good predictor of mortality (as per the results of the Framingham, Mass cohort study). Just merely getting the LDL and HDL readings is useless in determining the extent of the problem. More here.

Getting the subset readings of the respective cholesterol particle sizes is important. This can be done by ordering a VAP lipid panel - one needs to know LDL-A, LDL-B sizes to understand the problem. LDL-A are the benign particles, while LDL-B are the harmful ones. LDL-B will go up with stress, inflammatory foods, smoking, etc. HDL needs to be high for the protective effect to take place.
Posted 2/22/2015 3:01 PM (GMT 0)
zen - I've found your posts educational. You're not a spammer. My 'spam' post was concerning that doctor who creates those videos in order to profit himself. This video trivializes (to me) UC and could lead one to believe switching to vegan or vegetarian will help me and I have experienced that to not be true for myself so it offended me. I'm not bitter at you rather believe I know more about UC than the celebrity doctor.
You posted info to be helpful. I apologize for being one of those (like the whay you spelled rectum btw). Peace
Posted 2/22/2015 3:37 PM (GMT 0)

It is speculated that hydrogen sulfide in excess past our ability to detoxify it can damage the bowel.

It is also a signaling molecule.

Eating excessive meat can also produce more taurine conjugated bile.

Promoting excessive SRB's.

Excessive heme iron is also not good.


Prior to my son presenting with UC he had massive smelly sulfur farts that would clear a room for 15 minutes.

He ate a lot of meat at the time.

My guess there is more than one way to damage the colon barrier, this perhaps is one.

If you chew pepto bismol tablets your tongue will most likely turn black is spots, and if you take enough

so will your stool. This is b I s m u t h sulfide, the b I s m u t h reacts with hydrogen sulfide,from SRB's.


I had to space the letters in b I s m u t h, for some reason the site sensors the word bi****h.


Old Mike




Posted 2/22/2015 4:20 PM (GMT 0)
'old mike'...you've been old since joining in 2007; how old are you anyway 80? 90? (my definition of 'old' changes as I age)

Zen: It's interesting to note you got sick on a no oil vegan diet. Were you pushing yourself (stress, exhaustion, etc.) at the time?

I got it and was very active. Condition was good: 3 miles in 17 minutes, training for long races and triathlons; did whatever I wanted be it white water rafting on class 5's, running stadium stairs & lifting, snow&water skiing, playing basketball, baseball and football, racing mountain bikes bla bla bla (I always wondered if I just wore my dang self out). Maybe the stress of college studying kicked my behind. I know: 'there is no answer" 'no known cause'
I know most who push themselves only suffer ligament or meniscus damage or break bones.

I'm curious is all. I like to get individual points of info from each person who did something different is all and you eating as you did intrigued my interest.

Post Edited (Burli) : 2/22/2015 9:57:45 AM (GMT-7)

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