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Posted 4/15/2016 1:24 AM (GMT 0)
Those darn Clostridium again...

Worm infection counters inflammatory bowel disease by drastically changing gut microbiome /www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/04/160414145513.htm

Some have tried a few isolates and had varying results, but it may take some time to find the right good guy.

FT causes an increase in these as well.

Was just interesting.

Post Edited (Canada Mark) : 4/14/2016 7:27:51 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 4/15/2016 1:52 AM (GMT 0)
Fascinating stuff right there..... Only a matter of time until somebody figures this out.... Or so we all hope.
Posted 4/15/2016 2:04 AM (GMT 0)
Ha, just read that one.
Look to the right and read what is going on with the virome, as bacteria get killed off by the immune
system in the gut.

We have had a few here that tried worm eggs, at least one person probiotic tried more than once.
They did not work for him.

OM
Posted 4/15/2016 2:14 AM (GMT 0)
However, I guess at the end of the day a lot of things effect the gut in the same/similar way. TB (lung infection) causes the very same change in gut bacteria - and that is a lung infection effecting the intestinal bacteria. I'm sure many viruses probably do as well. None the less these decreases in Clostridia always seem to pop up as bad.

On a side note, I often feel better for short period of time when I first come down with a cold. Makes me wonder more about the potential of some of the immune boosting/stimulating treatments versus suppression.
Posted 4/15/2016 8:53 AM (GMT 0)
Mark,

I have the same improvement in my uc symptoms and arthritis whenever I have a cold or other virus. I wondered the same thing--whether some version of immune boosting could help. I am increasingly of the view that managing dysbiosis (regardless of whether it is a cause or effect of IBD) helps in symptom management. This study seems to lead in the same direction.

Did a bit of googling and found this as well:

http://www.nature.com/articles/srep09253

Eugenol (found in Clove oil, oregano, turmeric, cinnamon and basil) increases some clostridia and mucosal thickness in mice. Might explain the benefits of Woo and curcumin. Looks like eugenol in purer forms has some liver toxicity and risk of other adverse reactions, but I might start adding ground cloves to my breakfast and see if it helps.

Post Edited (FSLondon) : 4/15/2016 3:09:47 AM (GMT-6)

Posted 4/15/2016 11:47 AM (GMT 0)
Hey thanks London. Nice find. I just read the first few paragraphs but have to go to work. Will read it when I get home.

I have never heard of any of those in relation to mucus before. When I first started with liquids I would mix a few drops of WOO, Cinnamon Oil and Clove Oil together in an empty gel cap. Eventually I got lazy though after I found the gel caps of WOO with thyme. Also as of recent I have been making tumeric milk at nights - mainly because I love the taste and texture now...

Thanks again.
Posted 4/16/2016 12:44 AM (GMT 0)
Thanks London - That was an amazing find! That's a remarkable increase the mice mucus.

Looks like Clove oil is the thing to try if you want to increase the mucus layer as you say. Clove bud oil is 93-95% Eugenol.

As mentioned I mixed Clove, Thyme and cinnamon in gel caps when I started, but stopped after about 6 months or so when I found WOO gel caps and the odd time I bought and took clove oil for a while here and there.

Though I feel well now for the most part I think I might try adding Clove oil daily again. It's easy on the stomach (for me at least) and simple to put 5 drops or more in an empty gel cap and swallow.

Of note: When I started during the first few months I had weekly blood work done. I was about 5 drops of WOO and 5 drops of clove oil in a gel cap roughly twice a day. My blood work was perfect the whole time and has been ever since. I took Cinnamon oil sometimes as well, but it wrenched my gut so I stopped.
Posted 4/16/2016 9:38 PM (GMT 0)
it's very interesting, btw, which WOO gel caps are you taking? I've seen Solgar's at my pharmacy and I was also thinking to buy Intestin ol - http://biomatrixone.com/intestinol.html
Posted 4/17/2016 1:59 AM (GMT 0)
Never seen one with clove oil in it before. Nice find ewa. Thanks for sharing that. I'll ask the local place if they can get it here. Would be easier than me making the clove one's myself.

I take this one because it comes in Gel caps and there is thyme oil in it as.
healthfirstnetwork.ca/product/orega-supreme-gelcaps/

Health First Network, Orega-Supreme Gel Caps

Post Edited (Canada Mark) : 4/16/2016 8:04:27 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 4/17/2016 9:50 PM (GMT 0)
i'm going to try WOO solely to test if i can tolerate it :)
Posted 4/18/2016 12:43 PM (GMT 0)
Of course certain strains of Clostridia are associated with Rheumatoid Arthritis it seems. Sadly, while I do think our microbiome holds the keys to managing UC, it's also so unbelievably complicated that I wonder how much they'll be able to figure out.
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