Advice on Qing Dai

Hi guys,
I've been flaring for the past two weeks, more gradual than usual, however the last few days it's really stepped it up and I've started bleeding this morning. I'd ordered some Qing Dai powder and it has just arrived and is a dark blue fine powder which seems to stain my hands. I just want to double-check that this is what I should be taking? Does it stain your teeth when you take it?

The powder form gets you the most qingdai. I measure out a small spoonful which I assume to be 1-1.5 gram and mix it in warm water and slam it back while it's suspended. It doesn't dissolve well and quickly settles to the bottom so I'll mix some more water in the cup and slam it again to get it all. Do this twice a day. You can just put it in your mouth and drink it down that way but I mix it with wheatgrass powder or whatever else as part of my ritual. Avoid touching it because it will stain, it's indigo dye afterall. I haven't noticed any teeth staining, there's always Crest White Strips if it becomes a problem.

Post Edited (eekseel) : 6/7/2017 1:39:05 PM (GMT-6)

Amazingly Ive only been on it for a couple weeks and have noticed incredible benefits. No blood, zero. Hardly any food bothers me anymore. I got adventurous and partook in some trigger foods and noticed some aching but that's no surprise.

I've then since stopped taking uceris and if things improve over the next few months hopefully the Lialda which has never done much for me, but the doctors just keep pushing it. I was very skeptical but i'm surprised that a plant of all things could garner such results in such a short period of time. We'll see where i'm at in 6 months.

Where are you guys buying Qing Dai from?

St_uc, I actually have some high-strength Qing Dai here if you want, depending on where you're located? I originally bought in but it was taking too long to ship so I found some somewhere else, but it hasn't really worked for me, so I still have the sealed second bottle here.

eekseel,

Is your Qing Dai blue in color powder? DO you buy the following?

https://www.amazon.com/Qing-Dai-Concentrated-Granules-Treasure/dp/B06XFCWW4D/ref=sr_1_1_a_it?ie=UTF8&qid=1498139077&sr=8-1&keywords=qing+dai

On box does it say Polygonum tinctorium or Indigofera tinctoria?

I know some people recommend persisting with things for longer, but my UC is characterized by lots of short sharp flares so it tends to just fix on its own, and I'd rather that than incorrectly attributing it to something that I know hasn't been working. Unless a drug has a long half life or pharmacokinetic like imuran, I don't really believe something should take 6-8 weeks to work, you should know if something makes a difference

Hi, Everyone, first time post. Have been reading about UC on your boards due to recent problem with proctitis, probably infectious per colonscopy/biopsies two weeks ago. Put on Canasa BID, but so far that has not been much of a fix.

The colonoscopy findings match the course of the disease. Back in May had a week of escalating diarrhea with mucous, blood, pain, urgency (x20/day), food intolerance. This problem started four weeks after treatment with clindamycin for infection at site of an axillary node dissection (T1A breast cancer). Clindamycin from what I've been told is frequent culprit for C. Diff infections. Was going to hospital for daily radiation treatments when this issue started, so it's likely I was exposed to C. Diff then.

Went to ER, 01May17, at end of that first week of diarrhea. Treated with flagyl and cipro. After antibiotics, things improved but problems returned within a couple of weeks, had stool culture (neg), and since problems were escalating, had colonoscopy 20Jun17. Felt great for two days after colonoscopy on, but again problems returned = frequent urgency, but also constipated, discharging mostly mucous (sometimes clear, sometimes pink or brown tinged), some flatulence, occasional accidents, food tolerance poor, lots of left abdominal pain (pain, pain, and more pain), tired, napping frequently, pain in large joints, can't go out many days due to potential accidents...

As following through with clinicians' plans has been slow and provided little relief, I started researching alternate solutions. Plus I was progressing back to not just pain, pain , and more pain, but surprise accidents...

So I'm posting here because? Reviewing qing dai and other supplements mentioned on the boards and elsewhere, I ordered the CC Herbal and started with a half capsule daily. (Going with a supplier who'd been around a while seemed a good bet, related to quality, a concern often mentioned by contributors.) The CC Herbal has Qing Dai and two other ingredients: Huang Qin and Mu Xiang.

First day, lots of pain, cranky, tired, some diarrhea, and swore I wouldn't take another. But second day, noticed the upper GI tract was very happy, and greater portion of lower abdomen was quieter, so I took another half capsule -- again cranky, but more energy, more relief from pain because stool moving through, less pain the remainder of the day.

Today took the third half capsule this morning, lower GI immeditely a little busier, but less pain. Hoping for the best.

I don't know if Qing Dai or the other ingredients have resulted in the improvement, but I'll keep you posted.

Googling Qing Dai, there is a prospective clinical trial in 2016 for its use with UC patients. The trial included 20 subjects and the authors were encouraged by the outcome. Colonoscopy images are included with the article: https://www.karger.com/Article/FullText/444217.

Per the article, the trial was partially sponsored by the Ministry of Health, Labour and Welfare of Japan. Of interest is that the article gives some background on the long-time use of Qing Dai for UC and other medical problems in China (various inflammatory diseases, UC, and dermatosis, such as psoriasis).

Others at HW have cited a Qing Dai clinical trial with fewer subjects and perhaps the trial is at the end of this link?... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3645393/

Well, enough said.
Cheers to all and thanks to all who contribute to Healingwell.
The boards have provided a fast education on proctitis and colitis for me -- what to ask, what to expect. Wasn't receiving much information from providers.
Guess the business at hand for us all all is to hope for the best and carry on.
: )
Dee

Hope it works for us both. Keep your fingers crossed. : )
Dee

The recommended dosage is 2-3 gram a day, (1.5gr 2x per day, or 1gr 3x per day). Most people going this route have either been taking supplements that don't contain enough qingdai, contain none at all, or haven't been taking it correctly or long enough to know whether or not it works for them (4 months).

Post Edited (eekseel) : 7/8/2017 1:37:05 PM (GMT-6)

about dosing, I stayed with half a capsule of the CC Herbal for five days and it quelled GI pain and gasiness, urgency, mucous, my chronic GERD, diarrhea, and the major joint pain and fatigue that has accompanied this bout of what I'm told is proctitis due to infection. However, it also seemed to have pushed me back into my old problem of constipation. So I stopped.

Today, a couple of days later, the GI tract has started to work again and some of the mucous/urgency has also returned. But, the GI tract still has less pain, less distention than it has had since this infection started, actually for years before that.

However much one should take, for me a little took care of a major issue quickly and more completely than Flagyl. My GI tract, upper and lower, along with the surrounding abdominal muscles, have not been this calm since it seems, forever. It's like we are on vacation and we are enjoying the respite form pain.

LOL. I wish that 3.5 days has been the extent of what I've experienced.
And it didn't matter what the diet was. : )

But back to the question for you, sounds like introducing new meds or supplements right before the colonscopy might not be in your best interest. But three weeks out, maybe no problem.

Hope everything is resolved quickly for you.